I'll blame the Americans. But more to the point, I'll blame the American writers. All to often, for me, this feels like a bland American translation of a British TV show.
Torchwood:MD 4x08-End of the Road
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I'll blame the Americans. But more to the point, I'll blame the American writers. All to often, for me, this feels like a bland American translation of a British TV show.
I can see blaming American writers for dragging out the arc (then again, earlier Torchwood seasons were longer, so it seemed logical to want to take the format of CoE, but have as many episodes as previous Torchwood seasons), but I can't see blaming them for inanity, since that's been a staple of Torchwood since Series 1.
I think the number of episodes is Starz.
The dragging is one thing, but even the writing in the individual episode is bland and cliche, and it feels like an syndicated American show from the 90s at times.
And I would argue the inanity of Season 1 was different than what we're seeing here. The inanity of Season 1 was mostly the cast making out and fucking each other. Here, it's just bad cliches over and over again.
And, again, this series makes me miss Season 1's inanity.
This episode did feel kind of dragged out. Or maybe "front-laoded" would be more accurate. A lot of the action and development happens in the beginning, than kind of drones on from there. The CIA bullshit is kind of amusing, mainly because it seems the only honest CIA agents are John de Lancie and that young black guy at the command centre. And I suppose the woman sent to spy on Jilly, even though she's now Category 1. Rex and Esther are considered rogues, Wayne Knight employs his own cadre of renegade agents and now we have a double agent working for "the Families."
Still, I actually enjoyed John de Lancie's character. He was cool and funny, lots of great one-liners, even if the character is something of a boisterous asshole.
So what has been the point to Oswald's storyline so far. It's been implied he's someone of some importantance to the Miracle, but now we find out "the Families" have more of an interest in Jilly than him. All this has been a test of some sort for her?
Once again, Jack's vortex manipulator proves to be a handier device than previously when he uses it to scan Angelo after his death. I guess most shows have these sort of inconsistencies all the time, but I feel like pointing it out anyway.
And now the enevitable has happened and Jack has a potentially fatal injury. Can't say this is surprising since things have basically been building to this ever since it was revealed he's now mortal.
Yeah, I still enjoyed the episode, but this time I actually agree with the folks who say the Miracle Day storyline is being milked too long.
Still, I actually enjoyed John de Lancie's character. He was cool and funny, lots of great one-liners, even if the character is something of a boisterous asshole.
So what has been the point to Oswald's storyline so far. It's been implied he's someone of some importantance to the Miracle, but now we find out "the Families" have more of an interest in Jilly than him. All this has been a test of some sort for her?
Once again, Jack's vortex manipulator proves to be a handier device than previously when he uses it to scan Angelo after his death. I guess most shows have these sort of inconsistencies all the time, but I feel like pointing it out anyway.
And now the enevitable has happened and Jack has a potentially fatal injury. Can't say this is surprising since things have basically been building to this ever since it was revealed he's now mortal.
Yeah, I still enjoyed the episode, but this time I actually agree with the folks who say the Miracle Day storyline is being milked too long.
Checkmate
Commodore
Is it really hard to figure out how Oswald Dane fits in? Take another look at the names of the three families.
And anyone who thinks Jack is truly going to die is kind of daft, especially since he made a big production of putting the "alpha plate" of the reverse-the-magic-effect transmitter in his shirt pocket.
And anyone who thinks Jack is truly going to die is kind of daft, especially since he made a big production of putting the "alpha plate" of the reverse-the-magic-effect transmitter in his shirt pocket.
Oh, I know Jack won't actually die, but obviously now we'r supposed to believe he's in lethal danger, which is basically what they've been building up to since revealing he's mortal.
Abelmarch, Costerdane, Frines.
Oooh.
I remember thinking that that a generic ACLU analogue popping in to pay for Oswald's legal fees before was too big to just be a plot hole or lampshade hanging. And it'd be delicious if they ended up pulling the trigger on the Miracle to save their wayward son, and it wasn't just a coincidence that Oswald was the first person saved.
I would like to think there would be easier ways of saving their son than Miracle Day.
AND, if all along, Danes was apart of this family, there would have been hints.
Though, in this most recent episode, he seems unimportant to them. It's Jilly the family seems interested in.
I'm not saying that they wouldn't have done it anyway, just that that influenced the exact moment they executed it. For instance, they might've preferred to lay more groundwork, but they accelerated to save him. They still haven't explained the "Torchwood" message at the beginning.
But WHY would they have to accelerate it? if they are this all powerful shadow organization, they could've gotten him out. Faked evidence. A break out. Whatever. And then continue on as planned.
If they had to do it to save him, then that means they aren't very strong and aren't as reaching.
Even if he was SOOO important to their plans, they could've saved him and then used him.
Now, if they needed him to be "saved" on the moment of his execution in order for him to become this icon, then it wasn't about SAVING him, it was about USING him.
I loved this episode. Checkmate makes an very interesting observation about Oswald's place in all of this and his suggestion also is an explanation for why Jilly would have the families attention considering her work with him. The finale is setting up to be one hell of a bang I think.
I get the impression they needed him to advance their message. Maybe, once he gave his speech in that stadium, he wasn't really needed anymore. After that, he's probably a nuisance, since he thinks he's important.
that's what I thought too. Which goes against the idea that he's related to the Family... unless they don't really care about members of their own Family.
Don't the know the rules set up in The Godfather part 2, never go against the family?
I just wished he would've joined sooner but another fantastic episode. TORCHWOOD MIRCLE DAY WAY BETTER THAN dhildren of earth. we have what two more episodes.
all so when the DR. is'nt on earth we have the CIA to save us.
This is the single most hilarious thing I've read in quite a long while.
I would disagree as well that Miracle Day is better than Children of Earth, but it has been imo pretty entertaining and explored themes and issues that I have been interested in so I've been pleased with it to this point.
Checkmate
Commodore
Sorry, but while I don't find Miracle Day to be much better, Children of Earth was a steaming pile of shit. 'Course, I feel that way about most of what Davies touches and only really watch Torchwood as a fan of Doctor Who in general.
The man is an idiot. It's unfortunate the British audience is so used to his brand of idiocy and "storytelling." Especially his "subtle" way of things. (What nationality is Gwen again?)
The man is an idiot. It's unfortunate the British audience is so used to his brand of idiocy and "storytelling." Especially his "subtle" way of things. (What nationality is Gwen again?)
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