Torchwood:MD 4x08-End of the Road
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Well, that's obvious.
They're really changing the field of players.
It's called "The Girlfriend Experience".
Charlie Sheen/Harper explained it all to Jake once, there was a movie by that title as well, but "legally" an escort is a fake girlfriend to share food with, so I have no idea what that "whores" problem was that she found it more of a violation to eat dinner with the child murderer than dress up as a schoolgirl and pretend to be raped... Claire was was terrible at summing up her client, and should ave allowed him to chart the evening rather than get uppity when he defied her assumptions... was this her first day on the job?
I really have to watch more Secret Diary of a Callgirl, where Rose/Billie is all classy and empowered while trading sex for folding.
When Oswald said he wanted a "redhead" my asumption was that he was going to tell the sexworker that her name for the evennig was "Jilly" and then he could act out what he'd been supressing for his Publicist.
There was a line from Wilfred a few weks back, "See, you're telling me to eat shit, and i can tell by the tone of your voice that you think that that's a bad thing, but I just don't see it. Tasty." (Wilfred is a talking dog. Dogs like to eat shit. That's the joke.)
Claire was peed and pooped on for money every day, but the Girlfriend experience with Oswald was beyond her!
Claire's pimp is going to choke her when she gets back to the farm.
I thought that it was that Jack kissed Angelo that killed him.
They're really changing the field of players.
It's called "The Girlfriend Experience".
Charlie Sheen/Harper explained it all to Jake once, there was a movie by that title as well, but "legally" an escort is a fake girlfriend to share food with, so I have no idea what that "whores" problem was that she found it more of a violation to eat dinner with the child murderer than dress up as a schoolgirl and pretend to be raped... Claire was was terrible at summing up her client, and should ave allowed him to chart the evening rather than get uppity when he defied her assumptions... was this her first day on the job?
I really have to watch more Secret Diary of a Callgirl, where Rose/Billie is all classy and empowered while trading sex for folding.
When Oswald said he wanted a "redhead" my asumption was that he was going to tell the sexworker that her name for the evennig was "Jilly" and then he could act out what he'd been supressing for his Publicist.
There was a line from Wilfred a few weks back, "See, you're telling me to eat shit, and i can tell by the tone of your voice that you think that that's a bad thing, but I just don't see it. Tasty." (Wilfred is a talking dog. Dogs like to eat shit. That's the joke.)
Claire was peed and pooped on for money every day, but the Girlfriend experience with Oswald was beyond her!
Claire's pimp is going to choke her when she gets back to the farm.
I thought that it was that Jack kissed Angelo that killed him.
Well, that was just awful. My wife and I commented to each other at several points during the episode how poorly it was written. Not to mention some of the acting.
A complete waste of Nana Visitor, who was basically on screen to reel off several minutes of exposition and then get blown up. All of the padding that's been in this series and they couldn't think of a way to discover those facts in the course of the story?
And the idea that the fat CIA boy wouldn't have been searched at all before transport... that bomb was pretty easily found. Are we to be led to think that the whole CIA is either criminally inept or just plain criminals?
John DeLancey's character was a buffoon. Another waste of a good actor. Completely unbelievable - way too over the top.
I agree with Guy Gardener (something that almost never happens) on the unlikely behavior of the hooker. C'mon, honey, you get paid to do what your clients want you to do. Having a "date" with a creep beats a beating.
The whole research of the Family now rests on yet ANOTHER CIA mole? Please... And what was with the little Asian girl CIA agent. Her entrance was obvious and her demise showed her to be yet another screw up. And what about that demise? Earlier, we had a CIA agent get her head practically twisted off and get right back up and keep fighting. There is no consistency on how "dead" people react in this series.
Esther is still worthless. And Rex switches teams more easily than Jack "switches teams." And do we really believe for a second that Jack's life is in danger when we KNOW that he lives to an over-ripe old age and dies as the Face of Boe? And all Gwen did in this episode was act like a teenage gang girl looking for a fight. Ugh.
I'm going to watch the remaining episodes just to find out how they resolve this but as far as I'm concerned, STARZ has ruined Torchwood.
A complete waste of Nana Visitor, who was basically on screen to reel off several minutes of exposition and then get blown up. All of the padding that's been in this series and they couldn't think of a way to discover those facts in the course of the story?
And the idea that the fat CIA boy wouldn't have been searched at all before transport... that bomb was pretty easily found. Are we to be led to think that the whole CIA is either criminally inept or just plain criminals?
John DeLancey's character was a buffoon. Another waste of a good actor. Completely unbelievable - way too over the top.
I agree with Guy Gardener (something that almost never happens) on the unlikely behavior of the hooker. C'mon, honey, you get paid to do what your clients want you to do. Having a "date" with a creep beats a beating.
The whole research of the Family now rests on yet ANOTHER CIA mole? Please... And what was with the little Asian girl CIA agent. Her entrance was obvious and her demise showed her to be yet another screw up. And what about that demise? Earlier, we had a CIA agent get her head practically twisted off and get right back up and keep fighting. There is no consistency on how "dead" people react in this series.
Esther is still worthless. And Rex switches teams more easily than Jack "switches teams." And do we really believe for a second that Jack's life is in danger when we KNOW that he lives to an over-ripe old age and dies as the Face of Boe? And all Gwen did in this episode was act like a teenage gang girl looking for a fight. Ugh.
I'm going to watch the remaining episodes just to find out how they resolve this but as far as I'm concerned, STARZ has ruined Torchwood.
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Tonight on Torchwood, stuff happens. Whether any of it makes a lick of sense I have no idea.
I did like John DeLancie though I didn't even recognize him initially until he spoke.
Unlike the others, I didn't have a problem with the hooker scene though I don't really know what the hell is going on with Oswald. Prior to the series, I thought his cult figure was going to be really interesting but it all feels undercooked. The only reason I know he has any impact on anything is because they insists he does (and even then I'm not convinced). I wonder if Bill Pullman got sore making that face all the time.
I thought Jilly was good in her confrontation with Oswald but again I don't know what the point of it was. "Category Zero"? Um, OK? Maybe this will come together in these final two episodes but I doubt I'm going to really care for the resolution.
Then you have Torchwood (all two of them), CIA, morphic fields, Newman, exploding Kira, contact lenses, strutting Gwen, the cone of silence, and whatever else will stick on the wall.
I did like John DeLancie though I didn't even recognize him initially until he spoke.
Unlike the others, I didn't have a problem with the hooker scene though I don't really know what the hell is going on with Oswald. Prior to the series, I thought his cult figure was going to be really interesting but it all feels undercooked. The only reason I know he has any impact on anything is because they insists he does (and even then I'm not convinced). I wonder if Bill Pullman got sore making that face all the time.
I thought Jilly was good in her confrontation with Oswald but again I don't know what the point of it was. "Category Zero"? Um, OK? Maybe this will come together in these final two episodes but I doubt I'm going to really care for the resolution.
Then you have Torchwood (all two of them), CIA, morphic fields, Newman, exploding Kira, contact lenses, strutting Gwen, the cone of silence, and whatever else will stick on the wall.
Precisely. A sure sign that this story was never properly developed.
This has been bugging me for weeks. Suddenly we have "category 1s" which are essentially brain dead, whereas in episode 1 we had a severed head looking around and Rex being conscious through his entire accident. What happened to people being "so alive" like Jack said? The miracle doesn't seem very special if everyone's fated to become a vegetable eventually.
I didn't follow the production closely, but did you notice the sprawl with how they kept handing out big names month after month? I mean sure they could have had their cast locked down earlier and then time released the information, but what if the cast and story was locked early on, but then Starz kept throwing new high profile actors who needed large juicy (co)starring roles and the producers had to keep unlocking the script to massage dinky npcs into fleshed out bastards who needed camera time?
Isn't it odd with all the names they have that are only there for fractions of the story?
Nana Visitor, Exposition Fairy!
John DeLancie, Terminal Asshole for Fake Conflict!
And all that stuff about Angelo was so he could die without a word being spoken?
Even in the simplest technical terms the writing on this series is terrible.
I think it's because it's thematically muddled beyond repair. They tried to redo Children of Earth and bungled it beyond hope. On the one hand, they are all uptight because the government is going to really kill the brain dead by burning them. Yet they are desperately determined to kill every human being on the planet by ending the miracle. And not just the brain dead either! The longer this goes on the more obvious it is that it's a colossal failure.
John DeLancie, Terminal Asshole for Fake Conflict!
And all that stuff about Angelo was so he could die without a word being spoken?
Even in the simplest technical terms the writing on this series is terrible.
I think it's because it's thematically muddled beyond repair. They tried to redo Children of Earth and bungled it beyond hope. On the one hand, they are all uptight because the government is going to really kill the brain dead by burning them. Yet they are desperately determined to kill every human being on the planet by ending the miracle. And not just the brain dead either! The longer this goes on the more obvious it is that it's a colossal failure.
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I haven't finished watching the episode yet, but so far: FUCK. What the hell? This show SUCKS.
Sigh.
So, we spend all this time with Angelo last episode and he's basically an extra who promptly dies.
So, we have Nana Visitor... who is basically an exposition machine, who promptly dies.
We have the return of Wayne Knight... a villain, who promptly dies.
Hey, CIA, that's why the police handcuff people BEHIND THEIR BACK, and SEARCH them. In order for Wayne to kill himself, and I assume the plot move forward, the CIA have to be STUPID. Which is bad writing.
AND, Wayne Knight WAS still after them? So, he didn't get up all on Rex's shit when he called Dr. Bootycall? They weren't listening to HER phone? Just the BROTHER'S? They weren't watching Esther's House, like creepy guy?
This show is fucking awful.
I'm thinking of those heading days of Season 1... Remember that episode with the Cyber Lady? That was GOOD compared to this drivel.
EDITED TO ADD: NOW Gwen doesn't trust the phones? NOW?
Edited to add: WHY didn't Jack want to say it was a transmitter? Just cause? This is stupid. I'll stop with my comments now.
Sigh.
So, we spend all this time with Angelo last episode and he's basically an extra who promptly dies.
So, we have Nana Visitor... who is basically an exposition machine, who promptly dies.
We have the return of Wayne Knight... a villain, who promptly dies.
Hey, CIA, that's why the police handcuff people BEHIND THEIR BACK, and SEARCH them. In order for Wayne to kill himself, and I assume the plot move forward, the CIA have to be STUPID. Which is bad writing.
AND, Wayne Knight WAS still after them? So, he didn't get up all on Rex's shit when he called Dr. Bootycall? They weren't listening to HER phone? Just the BROTHER'S? They weren't watching Esther's House, like creepy guy?
This show is fucking awful.
I'm thinking of those heading days of Season 1... Remember that episode with the Cyber Lady? That was GOOD compared to this drivel.
EDITED TO ADD: NOW Gwen doesn't trust the phones? NOW?
Edited to add: WHY didn't Jack want to say it was a transmitter? Just cause? This is stupid. I'll stop with my comments now.
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Well, keep in mind that Doctors aren't really sure who is category one and category two. The Doctor that pronounced Gwen's dad Cat 1 said it was borderline, so she had to make a judgment call. Death isn't black and white, even though there are those who are incapable of functioning. Certainly, the one who blew himself up wasn't capable of brain function either. He just happened to operate.
Anyway, I liked the episode, but I'm not the one who's been complaining all along. Two episodes left. They have the target, now they just have to find them and end this. It's also a different enemy. It's an enemy that has found something that Torchwood might be able to face, but people who spend their lives planning something is an entirely different animal.
This whole season has been an absolute waste of time so far, and there are only two episodes left. I gave this episode "kind of sucky" only because I enjoyed watching John de Lancie's performance, even though his character was ridiculous. God, even season one was better than this.
While I'm liking the series, I ahve to agree with most of what Professor Zoom said. Stupid CIA move, handcuffing Newman with his hands in front.
Rex being stupid, not taking Jack's word about the cone of silence was about the annoying moment for me.
It seems they're going to compress a helluva lot into the last two eps that could have been spread out over more eps.
Rex being stupid, not taking Jack's word about the cone of silence was about the annoying moment for me.
It seems they're going to compress a helluva lot into the last two eps that could have been spread out over more eps.
Well, everything I wanted to say has been said in the posts above. It's a real let down this season, it really is. A lot of wasted time on things that didn't seem to matter after all, and a lacking in consistency. Characters brought on just to provide exposition, then disposed of.
2 eps to bring it all together, let's see what happens
2 eps to bring it all together, let's see what happens
Extended Motocycle chase?
Bollocks.
"Other means" fell short once again.
In few hours, once the pirates get their poop together I'll probably have to "other means" again.
Bollocks.
"Other means" fell short once again.
In few hours, once the pirates get their poop together I'll probably have to "other means" again.
I can't say that I'm bored when watching it but I don't get that usual satisfaction that comes after a show airs and I start to reflect and digest it.
I think this sums it up.
The thing is, the tangents tend to ring true for me. Usually, they're about the consequences of this new world. This week, it was the Oswald Danes scenes. I like the break down of whatsherface and Danes. The idea of TV loves him vs. people who know him loves him is clear. She can't stomach him and neither does anyone from up close. But, from a distance, he's a nice symbol of the miracle (mostly due to the timing of survival).
I'm finding the show entertaining enough, but I agree that it has been unnecessarily dragged out, and has far too much stupidity in it on occasion.
I'm not going to blame the Americans, or go on a rant about American TV, but I can't help but think that this would have been much better done as a 5-part series like Children of Earth.
I'm not going to blame the Americans, or go on a rant about American TV, but I can't help but think that this would have been much better done as a 5-part series like Children of Earth.
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