Torchwood: MD 4x06 - The Middle Men (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS
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"Who decides that the work day is from 9 to 5 instead of 11 to 4? Who decides that the hemlines will be below the knee this year, and short again next year? Who draws up the borders, controls the currency, handles all of the decisions that happen transparently around us?
"I... am with them. Same group, different department. Think of me as a sort of middle man."
"I... am with them. Same group, different department. Think of me as a sort of middle man."
I thought it was pretty good. Each week I find the intensity's ramped up a little. There were a couple of sequences I thought went on too long, like the Rex/Colin/Esther bit, but it was tolerable.
One question: does anyone remember where the lens technology comes from? Might explain what's happening next week.
Don't expect miracles (pardon the pun) - just let the story wash over you. It's only a TV show. Don't expect it to be the pinnacle of SF TV Drammah
One question: does anyone remember where the lens technology comes from? Might explain what's happening next week.
Don't expect miracles (pardon the pun) - just let the story wash over you. It's only a TV show. Don't expect it to be the pinnacle of SF TV Drammah
Bravo, simply bravo.
Esther is a waste of flesh.
I think she is trying to be the other girl who waited.
Did I miss the bit where Gwen figured out about the ovens and why wasn't she put in an isocell for trying to break her dad out the first time?
I liked Eddie's speech.
He would have gotten on well with Justin.
Why should good TV require a miracle?
The Rex/Colin/Esther scene was indeed too long. And I was almost rooting for Colin to go ahead and strangle Esther, I'm so fed up with her. If that character doesn't wise up and toughen up soon, I'm rooting for her demise in short order.
The problem is there are too many story threads that just aren't important. I love Vera as a character and the whole medical angle was interesting but ultimately didn't go anywhere. The module issue took to long to resolve and separating Gwen just slowed things down. Oswald Danes thing could dropped altogether and replaced with nameless talking heads. Four episodes left and I've got a feeling that they are just going to drop one revelation after another like bricks without proper setup.
Pity it was 10 minutes of story stretched out to nearly an hour.
I really wish the BBC had stumped up the money for this to have been the five part week-long serial it was clearly intended to be, instead of being dragged out at a glacial pace over ten weeks. The really scary thing is that Starz originally wanted 13 episodes!
The way some people act here, they think CoE was a miracle, and given the first 2 series, not far off the truth.
Their expectations are, perhaps, a little high.
I don't think expecting a show to be engaging is a very high expectation.
On a side note: LOL, Rex is not a very good judge of people.
Edited to add: Perhaps the funniest line, Wimpy Soldier, "This has GOT to stop." Hilarious.
And... how the HELL has Gwen been hanging out as a NURSE for so long without ANYONE questioning her? Seriously. If it's so crazy busy, wouldn't someone say, "Oy, you need to be doing X,Y, Z..." And when she doesn't... wouldn't that be suspicious?
The way some people act here, they think CoE was a miracle, and given the first 2 series, not far off the truth.
Their expectations are, perhaps, a little high.
I don't think expecting a show to be engaging is a very high expectation.
On a side note: LOL, Rex is not a very good judge of people.
Edited to add: Perhaps the funniest line, Wimpy Soldier, "This has GOT to stop." Hilarious.
And... how the HELL has Gwen been hanging out as a NURSE for so long without ANYONE questioning her? Seriously. If it's so crazy busy, wouldn't someone say, "Oy, you need to be doing X,Y, Z..." And when she doesn't... wouldn't that be suspicious?
Concentration camp or no, it's still the NHS. We're talking about an organisation that in real life took years to notice a Nurse was murdering patients in a hospital.
The way some people act here, they think CoE was a miracle, and given the first 2 series, not far off the truth.
Their expectations are, perhaps, a little high.
I don't think expecting a show to be engaging is a very high expectation.
On a side note: LOL, Rex is not a very good judge of people.
Edited to add: Perhaps the funniest line, Wimpy Soldier, "This has GOT to stop." Hilarious.
And... how the HELL has Gwen been hanging out as a NURSE for so long without ANYONE questioning her? Seriously. If it's so crazy busy, wouldn't someone say, "Oy, you need to be doing X,Y, Z..." And when she doesn't... wouldn't that be suspicious?
Concentration camp or no, it's still the NHS. We're talking about an organisation that in real life took years to notice a Nurse was murdering patients in a hospital.
But wasn't that Nurse doing nurse type work in between murders? Change a pan, murder a patient, give out some meds, murder a patient, wash and repeat. One of the reasons, perhaps, no one notice the nurse: she was doing work...?
It has nothing to do with the NHS. I've volunteered at local ER's and they can get pretty hectic. Someone walking around in scrubs looking like they know what they are doing isn't going to stick out (nurses often rotate among the different hospitals, so a stranger isn't going to be that suspicious). These holdover camps are ER's times 100. What's surprising is that there aren't more security breeches (where is the press, conspiracy nuts, curiosity seekers??).
Jack said it right there at the end, Torchwood doesn't fight politicians, we need to look at the bigger picture.
That sums up these past two episodes for me, so much time wasted on these concentration camps, and not enough on the big picture of the story. Yes, time wasted. When you only have 10 episodes, I don't care about the small stuff. Glad they are finally back on track with the main storyline. The past 2 eps could have been erased, and it wouldn't change anything, complete waste of time.
That sums up these past two episodes for me, so much time wasted on these concentration camps, and not enough on the big picture of the story. Yes, time wasted. When you only have 10 episodes, I don't care about the small stuff. Glad they are finally back on track with the main storyline. The past 2 eps could have been erased, and it wouldn't change anything, complete waste of time.
One thing that irks me in this season is how the condition of those that should have died suddenly changed, and the miracle isn't following its own continuity in a way. “Alive” suddenly became the existence of the biological processes.
In the real world, from a scientific viewpoint, when the heart of the person stops and then the brain activity goes away, the person is still alive. But since medical science hasn't advanced far enough, there's nothing to do to bring him back, so we bury him or burn him... alive. And the way categories one are portrayed now doesn't make me feel different.
I loved how in episode one even the most severe cases showed sign of awareness – the burnt corpse that moved his eyes... Where did that go? Now, when Rex went into the module all the people he saw were completely unconsciousness, and jumping from a high enough floor is enough to lose your consciousness forever. He should have seen some people showing some signs of awareness like Gwen's father did, they should have shown the head of someone jumping from a skyscraper that still moved its eyes, it would make me feel much more sympathy for the category ones.
Otherwise the people in the modules look like people beyond help who will die when the miracle ends and who will never regain consciousness, whether some miracle is keeping their heart going or not. It's not that different from the real world – when a person “dies” we could artificially keep the biological processes in his body going or we could freeze him, hoping that medical science will find a way to make his brain going again, but we don't.
In the real world, from a scientific viewpoint, when the heart of the person stops and then the brain activity goes away, the person is still alive. But since medical science hasn't advanced far enough, there's nothing to do to bring him back, so we bury him or burn him... alive. And the way categories one are portrayed now doesn't make me feel different.
I loved how in episode one even the most severe cases showed sign of awareness – the burnt corpse that moved his eyes... Where did that go? Now, when Rex went into the module all the people he saw were completely unconsciousness, and jumping from a high enough floor is enough to lose your consciousness forever. He should have seen some people showing some signs of awareness like Gwen's father did, they should have shown the head of someone jumping from a skyscraper that still moved its eyes, it would make me feel much more sympathy for the category ones.
Otherwise the people in the modules look like people beyond help who will die when the miracle ends and who will never regain consciousness, whether some miracle is keeping their heart going or not. It's not that different from the real world – when a person “dies” we could artificially keep the biological processes in his body going or we could freeze him, hoping that medical science will find a way to make his brain going again, but we don't.