Torchwood: Children of Earth DAY FOUR grading thread

[Silent_Bob]

He's gone very OT

I didn't start the sketch show tangent!

I think she meant Walliams has gone OTT... but that's just a guess.

What do you mean gone, he's always been like that, he's just got more media exposure now unfortunately.

Armstrong and Miller are quite good, as was the special Armstrong and Miller and Mitchell and Webb Show they did for Comic relief. And Armstrong and Miller arent too off topic, given who voices Mr. Smith.

 

[Captain Shaw]

He is very annoying isn't he?

He's gone very OT

I didn't start the sketch show tangent!

Sorry typo should be OTT

 

[Zulu Romeo]

"Wife like mammut."

"You like mammut?"

... and that's why I became a teacher!

 

[Jim Steele]

Ken, just kiddin ye on aye?

 

[jamestyler]

I like where Jim Steele went and as a matter of fact raise the bar:

Name me a single SF TV show that has been as good as TW this season.

Especially Day 4 - I can't think of a single ep of any series that was better. Some are very close, but I can't honestly think of a better one.

Yep, I went there.

I said on twitter today to a certain Skutter that i reckon it's the best British TV I've seen in a while. Aside from the odd drama and the usual offenders, most of the big five channels are filled with reality, home improvement or cooking shows.

Depressing.

David Mitchell is brilliant, like a young Stephen Fry in many ways.

Robert Webb surpassed him with his flashdance routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtanRbYazR4

Arousing. So disturbingly arousing.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

Name me a single SF TV show that has been as good as TW this season.

Is LOST sci-fi?

 

[Australis]

^Mmmm, close but no banana. While there have been some amazing moments, it doesn't feel as focused as this.

Admittedly, that might be me, but CoE is gripping. LOST, strong but not quite as gripping.

 

[HappyDayRiot]

The only other sci-fi I've watched this year is TSCC and Heroes. The former I loved but it doesn't compare to this at all. And Heroes is bullshit.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^Mmmm, close but no banana. While there have been some amazing moments, it doesn't feel as focused as this.

Admittedly, that might be me, but CoE is gripping. LOST, strong but not quite as gripping.

I'd agree, I can think of no SF&F (hell, no TV at all)that's been this good in ages. There are some that a close, Lost and Dexter spring to mind as shows that are close, but nothing else.
You watch it fall to shit tonight and ruin it because you're all so excited about it.

 

[captcalhoun]

it's better than Fringe and i loved Fringe.

 

[Checkmate]

im not going to say... [snip]

Why can't you just accept it for what it is instead of trying to fanwank other elements of the Whoverse into it? Was the TARDIS circle jerk at the end of Journey's End not enough for you?

After all the flak that Torchwood has recieved over the last few years, we finally get the show we should have had from the start, and you're picking holes in it because it isn't going out of its way to involve Sarah Jane??

Do me a lemon.

Even if you don't want to see Sarah Jane anywhere, it's still a fair question to ask. They're in the same universe. They're in the same country. They've all interacted before which just solidifes the other points. She specializes in alien threats dealing with children. And this entire storyline is easily the biggest threat to Earth's children ever seen in the setting. To have her not be a part of it, and a very big part of it, is pretty big pill to swallow.

I don't care to see her anywhere in the show, either, but it is a very, very fair question to ask.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I managed to get hold of both this episode and the following and watched them both last night. Wow, what a punch in the stomach!

I hadn't read any spoilers, yet I suddenly had this distinct feeling Ianto was going to die during his conversation with his sister. The conversation felt like one of those "Farewell, take care of the children, I love you" conversations. Fuck. I hate being right. Way back in season 1, I would have never thought I would care this much about these characters, but after Owen and Tosh died, I didn't want to lose anymore of them. And now Ianto is gone, too.

The discussion about how to select the children was creepy, especially when Denise Riley suggested "the best ones." Maybe this was just me and I overreacted, but I felt like her suggestions felt like Nazism. *shudder*

That being said, I found the fact that the 456 used children as a drug to be even far more creepy. Of all of the revolting things I've seen in literature and film, this one ranks pretty fucking high. With this, Torchwood finally earned the right to be called a serious adult show (as oppose a lot of the stupid sex junk of season 1).

Finally we saw how the 456 has power over the planet and how they have forced people's hands (like Jack's in 1965). Between their power over the children and their need for the children, the 456 have become an interesting adversary.

Overall, I was blown away by this episode. Which left me thinking, "What the hell will happen in the final episode?" Fuck, fuck, fuck...

 

[Starkers]

I managed to get hold of both this episode and the following and watched them both last night. Wow, what a punch in the stomach!

I hadn't read any spoilers, yet I suddenly had this distinct feeling Ianto was going to die during his conversation with his sister. The conversation felt like one of those "Farewell, take care of the children, I love you" conversations. Fuck. I hate being right. Way back in season 1, I would have never thought I would care this much about these characters, but after Owen and Tosh died, I didn't want to lose anymore of them. And now Ianto is gone, too.

The discussion about how to select the children was creepy, especially when Denise Riley suggested "the best ones." Maybe this was just me and I overreacted, but I felt like her suggestions felt like Nazism. *shudder*

That being said, I found the fact that the 456 used children as a drug to be even far more creepy. Of all of the revolting things I've seen in literature and film, this one ranks pretty fucking high. With this, Torchwood finally earned the right to be called a serious adult show (as oppose a lot of the stupid sex junk of season 1).

Finally we saw how the 456 has power over the planet and how they have forced people's hands (like Jack's in 1965). Between their power over the children and their need for the children, the 456 have become an interesting adversary.

Overall, I was blown away by this episode. Which left me thinking, "What the hell will happen in the final episode?" Fuck, fuck, fuck...

That sounds exactly like my reaction to episode 4

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Really? Awesome! I read the rest of the thread this afternoon when I have the time.

 

[Count Zero]

The discussion about how to select the children was creepy, especially when Denise Riley suggested "the best ones." Maybe this was just me and I overreacted, but I felt like her suggestions felt like Nazism. *shudder*

I felt the same way. The discussion was brilliantly done, how they get from "the needs of the many" to singling out lower class children without anyone speaking up.
I'm not sure whether he was in this episode or the next, but the guy who wanted to spin this as something positive in regards to the Earth's limited ressources made me sick.
All things considered, I might have arrived at the same conculsions, i.e. to hand the kids over, but it's a decision of such magnitude that you have to own up to. There's no way you can spin this unless you're a cynical ass.

Overall, I was blown away by this episode. Which left me thinking, "What the hell will happen in the final episode?" Fuck, fuck, fuck...

I was thinking the same thing and you're in for a treat (a depressing one).

 

[Bob The Skutter]

The discussion about how to select the children was creepy, especially when Denise Riley suggested "the best ones." Maybe this was just me and I overreacted, but I felt like her suggestions felt like Nazism. *shudder*

I felt the same way. The discussion was brilliantly done, how they get from "the needs of the many" to singling out lower class children without anyone speaking up.
I'm not sure whether he was in this episode or the next, but the guy who wanted to spin this as something positive in regards to the Earth's limited ressources made me sick.
All things considered, I might have arrived at the same conculsions, i.e. to hand the kids over, but it's a decision of such magnitude that you have to own up to. There's no way you can spin this unless you're a cynical ass.

Yeah, Nick Briggs is a cunt in that scene... In a good way of course.

Although he does pretty much admit that in the scene with the "If we spin this, and god knows spin is all we can do." line.

 

[Count Zero]

Although he does pretty much admit that in the scene with the "If we spin this, and god knows spin is all we can do." line.

That was a great line but it also showed his character. In that situation, would you be thinking about how to spin this? If I had been the PM I'd probably have punched him or at least yelled at him to shut the fuck up.

 

[captcalhoun]

^me too.

i would've said, "excuse me, but not everyone who was born on a council estate grows up to be a complete waste of space, stuck on benefits and no use to anyone, you ugly little bitch!"

 

[WillsBabe]

I thought it was interesting how the first children they thought of were the children of failed asylum seekers.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I thought it was interesting how the first children they thought of were the children of failed asylum seekers.

Yeah, then there was the line about "we're finally doing something about the kids who hang around on street corners."
Really it is fascinating how plausible those things are as spin...