Torchwood: Children of Earth DAY FIVE FINALE grading thread

[StCoop]

That joins the ranks of classic British shows that people will remember for years alongside things like "Edge Of Darkness" and "Quatermass".

The more I think about it the most depressed it makes me. I mean for one thing, while the PM probably resigned for "health reasons" he gets replaced by the woman who came up with the plan for what children got picked.

I need a drink.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I reckon they won't announce Torchwood series 4, if there is to be one, until after the Doctor Who 2-parter at the end of the year, so's not to give away the fact that Jack, will in fact, be back.

 

[StCoop]

Open the tank and throw a bomb in? Suck all the poison... I mean air out? Walk in in haz-mat suits and break the glass and set the fucking thing on fire?

And what about all the rest of them?

It took sending the signal back to wipe them out.

 

[Captain Shaw]

Gwen should have released the video it would have given people a fighting chance.

 

[Dac]

...And they reckon BSG was depressing, they got nothing on us.

Whoa, lets not go nuts here people.

Never thought BSG was depressing, bleak sure, but they never reached depressing. Where as many British Sci-Fi shows have, and tonight there was definitely depressing moments in this.

Fair doos. I thought alot of the major events in the show were depressing, but they often followed them up with a victory, it was only in the last season the victories became virtually non existent.

You are right though, alot of British shows are depressing in nature, and this was probably one of the most depressing ive seen.

 

[ITL]

Well, there we go. Torchwood just made nuBSG it's fluffy little bitch in terms of dark storytelling. And even though the "Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow" type scenario was a little easy - yes, with a twist. I know - it wasn't really about how the 456 would be defeated, was it? It was about how we face/fight/stand up to evil without becoming it. And that was the twist - Jack had to cross the same line that the Gubmint/military were crossing.

So many more WWII/Holocaust parallels, too - following on from yesterday's Wannsee Conference we had "Round them up and take them to camps" and "Plucky heroine smuggles some out of danger". Those Nazi bastard aliens!

They never did push it right over the edge, though - Gwen's camcorder message was a bit premature - but I didn't expect them to, really. So that's cool.

And I liked the ending - Torchwood seems fucked, Jack ran away, Ianto stayed dead, etc. If they want to keep the show going it'll be an almost complete overhall!

So - all in all, it was great! And I say this as someone who didn't like the show up to this point. An excellent week's TV.



Oh - PC ANDY FTW!!

 

[Starkers]

I'd list some highlights... but it would be a much shorter list if I just wrote the things that WEREN'T highlights. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything so grim on TV.

Got to wonder though - why did Maddox act like such a twat? Why didn't he help? Why was the PM such a dick full-stop? And why was there never any show of aggressive counter-action by the Earth against the 456?

Matt Smith is going to have a hell of a time cheering Jack up if he runs into him next year.

Who were they going to take counter action against? There was only one 456 on Earth and he was inside a bullet proof tank!

Open the tank and throw a bomb in? Suck all the poison... I mean air out? Walk in in haz-mat suits and break the glass and set the fucking thing on fire?

Fair enough, but you're still talking one 456. That's like killing Herman Goering and expecting the Nazis to surrender!

 

[HappyDayRiot]

I'd list some highlights... but it would be a much shorter list if I just wrote the things that WEREN'T highlights. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything so grim on TV.

Got to wonder though - why did Maddox act like such a twat? Why didn't he help? Why was the PM such a dick full-stop? And why was there never any show of aggressive counter-action by the Earth against the 456?

Matt Smith is going to have a hell of a time cheering Jack up if he runs into him next year.

Who were they going to take counter action against? There was only one 456 on Earth and he was inside a bullet proof tank!

Yes, but who built said tank? The humans. It had an airlock. I'm sure it wouldn't have been beyond the realm of reason to smash up that tank, or blast it, or at least TRY and do something other than shoot at it with a poxy handgun! What about man's ever reliable friend, the flamethrower?

Still, this was the one alien invasion that the Doctor wasn't around for, UNIT did precisely nothing at all and Torchwood were all but redundant, and look what happened - it all went to shit.

I thought Turn Left was a depressing scenario, but this was something else entirely. Genuinely painful to watch at times.

 

[Starkers]

Whoa, lets not go nuts here people.

Never thought BSG was depressing, bleak sure, but they never reached depressing. Where as many British Sci-Fi shows have, and tonight there was definitely depressing moments in this.

Fair doos. I thought alot of the major events in the show were depressing, but they often followed them up with a victory, it was only in the last season the victories became virtually non existent.

You are right though, alot of British shows are depressing in nature, and this was probably one of the most depressing ive seen.

For God's sake never watch Threads

 

[StCoop]

Yes, but who built said tank? The humans. It had an airlock. I'm sure it wouldn't have been beyond the realm of reason to smash up that tank, or blast it, or at least TRY and do something other than shoot at it with a poxy handgun! What about man's ever reliable friend, the flamethrower?

And that stops the ONE on Earth. Now the remaining 456 know Earth has a weapon that can kill them all at ease.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Who were they going to take counter action against? There was only one 456 on Earth and he was inside a bullet proof tank!

Open the tank and throw a bomb in? Suck all the poison... I mean air out? Walk in in haz-mat suits and break the glass and set the fucking thing on fire?

Fair enough, but you're still talking one 456. That's like killing Herman Goering and expecting the Nazis to surrender!

Who says the signal took them all out, I mean it transported away at the end... after it's heads exploded.

 

[Starkers]

I'd list some highlights... but it would be a much shorter list if I just wrote the things that WEREN'T highlights. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything so grim on TV.

Got to wonder though - why did Maddox act like such a twat? Why didn't he help? Why was the PM such a dick full-stop? And why was there never any show of aggressive counter-action by the Earth against the 456?

Matt Smith is going to have a hell of a time cheering Jack up if he runs into him next year.

Who were they going to take counter action against? There was only one 456 on Earth and he was inside a bullet proof tank!

Yes, but who built said tank? The humans. It had an airlock. I'm sure it wouldn't have been beyond the realm of reason to smash up that tank, or blast it, or at least TRY and do something other than shoot at it with a poxy handgun! What about man's ever reliable friend, the flamethrower?

Still, this was the one alien invasion that the Doctor wasn't around for, UNIT did precisely nothing at all and Torchwood were all but redundant, and look what happened - it all went to shit.

I thought Turn Left was a depressing scenario, but this was something else entirely. Genuinely painful to watch at times.

If there'd been a mothership in orbit I'm sure they'd have tried. Actually in hindsight they should have toasted mr 456...a second one could have shown up and said "Now we want 15%"...

 

[HappyDayRiot]

^ I'm sure they'll call the Doctor next time. Clearly they need him on this evidence.

 

[Captain Shaw]

The pm should have gone all Churchill on the aliens ass because they are using the kids as drugs and has we know the longer you are on drugs there more you need to get high so they would have been back for more.

 

[Lonemagpie]

That joins the ranks of classic British shows that people will remember for years alongside things like "Edge Of Darkness" and "Quatermass".

It was very much the natural successor to Quatermass.

The more I think about it the most depressed it makes me. I mean for one thing, while the PM probably resigned for "health reasons" he gets replaced by the woman who came up with the plan for what children got picked.

Which is exactly what would happen with our present government. Except the ugly old bag in question would be Peter Mandelson.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Never thought BSG was depressing, bleak sure, but they never reached depressing. Where as many British Sci-Fi shows have, and tonight there was definitely depressing moments in this.

Fair doos. I thought alot of the major events in the show were depressing, but they often followed them up with a victory, it was only in the last season the victories became virtually non existent.

You are right though, alot of British shows are depressing in nature, and this was probably one of the most depressing ive seen.

For God's sake never watch Threads

Threads wasn't depressing... it was informative... as in if gave you the information "in the event of nuclear holocaust, just kill yourself. You won't like it afterwards."

 

[Captain Shaw]

That joins the ranks of classic British shows that people will remember for years alongside things like "Edge Of Darkness" and "Quatermass".

It was very much the natural successor to Quatermass.

The more I think about it the most depressed it makes me. I mean for one thing, while the PM probably resigned for "health reasons" he gets replaced by the woman who came up with the plan for what children got picked.

Which is exactly what would happen with our present government. Except the ugly old bag in question would be Peter Mandelson.

No peter's not a MP.
It would be Cameron god now i am depress Brown or Cameron.

 

[Starkers]

That joins the ranks of classic British shows that people will remember for years alongside things like "Edge Of Darkness" and "Quatermass".

It was very much the natural successor to Quatermass.

The more I think about it the most depressed it makes me. I mean for one thing, while the PM probably resigned for "health reasons" he gets replaced by the woman who came up with the plan for what children got picked.

Which is exactly what would happen with our present government. Except the ugly old bag in question would be Peter Mandelson.

No peter's not a MP.
It would be Cameron god now i am depress Brown or Cameron.

Actually it'd be Harriet Harman which is even scarier

 

[Captain Shaw]

It was very much the natural successor to Quatermass.

Which is exactly what would happen with our present government. Except the ugly old bag in question would be Peter Mandelson.

No peter's not a MP.
It would be Cameron god now i am depress Brown or Cameron.

Actually it'd be Harriet Harman which is even scarier

Maybe she would scare the aliens away.

 

[setvenharis]

Never thought BSG was depressing, bleak sure, but they never reached depressing. Where as many British Sci-Fi shows have, and tonight there was definitely depressing moments in this.

Fair doos. I thought alot of the major events in the show were depressing, but they often followed them up with a victory, it was only in the last season the victories became virtually non existent.

You are right though, alot of British shows are depressing in nature, and this was probably one of the most depressing ive seen.

For God's sake never watch Threads

Or that sci fi serial from the 90's called "Invasion". That had a very bleak ending too.