When I was working at a Quaker school I heard the librarian reading a book about different types of families to a group of six years old. The book mentioned families that has two Daddies, and families that had two Mummies etc.
Too Hot for Sesame Street?
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Watching that video scarred me for life. After seeing... err... what was the problem, again? As someone else was pointing out earlier, if you don't want your kids to ever see this kind of material, you'd better not let them go out in public ever, or look out the window, or anything that may allow them to catch a glimpse of a woman.
It's hard not to when you provide so much straw.
If you were to read my first post in this thread you would know...that I am perfectly FINE with Katy Perry's neckline incident!
Kindly spare me the straw man, please.
Kindly spare me the straw man, please.
It's not a strawman. You're the one who brought up the flashing for no clear reason.
I clearly brought it up as comparison, an indication of what would be considered going too far.
But like your political idealogue, you used it as a way to bring in how she might be wrong, even though she never came close.
It's like my saying someone with a gun who dislikes the President could assassinate the President with a gun so therefore we could call that person an assassin even though they never actually did anything to warrant the claim.
Or better yet, women have breasts. Therefore they could flash innocent children with them and should not have a right to have breasts to flash children with.
Making that kind of comparison link is a weak and misleading way to try bringing people around to your side of thinking. It's also just screaming for someone to point out how flawed it is to use such absurd comparisons.
I see this kind of careful planning in politics and the media all the time. At first you appear to disagree or agree with something, then slowly, carefully you begin to add things to switch the original discussion into another level and begin to say how it would be wrong if it went to this. Eventually it becomes how your opinion is right, everyone else is against you and you're the victim.
It's like my saying someone with a gun who dislikes the President could assassinate the President with a gun so therefore we could call that person an assassin even though they never actually did anything to warrant the claim.
Or better yet, women have breasts. Therefore they could flash innocent children with them and should not have a right to have breasts to flash children with.
Making that kind of comparison link is a weak and misleading way to try bringing people around to your side of thinking. It's also just screaming for someone to point out how flawed it is to use such absurd comparisons.
I see this kind of careful planning in politics and the media all the time. At first you appear to disagree or agree with something, then slowly, carefully you begin to add things to switch the original discussion into another level and begin to say how it would be wrong if it went to this. Eventually it becomes how your opinion is right, everyone else is against you and you're the victim.
You're right on the money here. I'd throw in his pointless attack on feminists, too, as yet another way to try to prove his point. Of course, it'd help if he had even a slight bit of knowledge about feminist theory and what being a feminist actually means.
I used it as a contrast, to demonstrate what would have been wrong for her. As her choice of attire was obviously as far from "flashing" as you can imagine.
I fail to see why you and sidious618 would consistantly fail to comprehend this...unless, of course, it is deliberate, in order to make my argument into something it is not--
Much like a political idealogue on the opposite end of the spectrum as me...who's political carreer, indeed, had started with the publishing of a book filled with such false implications (which, indeed, was later followed with another such book in which he claimed that everything in said book was either true or a joke....
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No, I just have a thing against conservatives who believe their way is the only way. Or that I have a personal vendetta against you or Rush Limbaugh, or maybe I'm just trolling you. Who knows, you'll keep drawing the same conclusion you already are no matter why I think your comparison was inaccurate and meant to draw people to a false conclusion.
Uh-huh. Whatever you say....
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Thank you. 
And go right ahead. Personally, I don't blame you. She's a lovely-looking young lady--if a bit...eccentric....
Here's a bit of an "olive branch" to all the folks who are put off by this slightly off topic nonsense--
George Snuffleupagus--ah, I mean...whatever--the guy on ABC interviews Sesame Street's exec, and eventually Grover (dressed up in the whole bada-- Super-Grover outfit, of course) and Elmo, on the whole thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAcPAFxESs0
Enjoy!
And go right ahead. Personally, I don't blame you. She's a lovely-looking young lady--if a bit...eccentric....
Here's a bit of an "olive branch" to all the folks who are put off by this slightly off topic nonsense--
George Snuffleupagus--ah, I mean...whatever--the guy on ABC interviews Sesame Street's exec, and eventually Grover (dressed up in the whole bada-- Super-Grover outfit, of course) and Elmo, on the whole thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAcPAFxESs0
Enjoy!
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^lol that was cute
I dunno I'm mixed on the whole thing. I actually think its a cute clip & I have a 2 year old niece & I'm sure like others have said she wouldn't notice the sexualized nature of it, but it bugs me that so much stuff aimed at kids(& particularly girls) has to be sexualized these days, like the Bratz dolls, fortunately there's alternatives out there & parents can just choose to let their kids watch something else or play with something else.
and b4 anyone asks how was the clip sexualized, hello she's almost popping out of her dress, making cutesy kittenish faces and telling Elmo she "want to play"... I mean come on.
I dunno I'm mixed on the whole thing. I actually think its a cute clip & I have a 2 year old niece & I'm sure like others have said she wouldn't notice the sexualized nature of it, but it bugs me that so much stuff aimed at kids(& particularly girls) has to be sexualized these days, like the Bratz dolls, fortunately there's alternatives out there & parents can just choose to let their kids watch something else or play with something else.
and b4 anyone asks how was the clip sexualized, hello she's almost popping out of her dress, making cutesy kittenish faces and telling Elmo she "want to play"... I mean come on.
Katy was actually wearing a mesh top, so she really was covered up the entire time. The problem, though, was that it was sheer. Had it been colored yellow or some other color...nah, there still would have been complaints...
^It's funny--the original song isn't really that bad (she drops the "B--ch" bomb in the first verse, but that's changed to "girl" in the radio version).
It's basically her bemoaning her on-again/off-again relationship whith her less-than-sensitive-to-her-needs boyfriend. That's it--nothing particuarly bad or controversial.
It's basically her bemoaning her on-again/off-again relationship whith her less-than-sensitive-to-her-needs boyfriend. That's it--nothing particuarly bad or controversial.
That Elmo shirt on SNL makes all this worth it.
^I think he was totally humilated when he realized he had completely forgotten their "play-date". He then improvised...I guess.
But then...I've always been partial to The Count, myself.
Also...it was a little cringeworthy to see Katy Perry basically pouting and otherwise giving mannerisms like a little girl.
Come to think of it, when I saw her singing on SNL, throughout her acts, she had this nervous look in her eyes that seemed to say, "Aw, gee, I hope I don't screw up...don't make me screw up...please don't make me screw up!"
But then...I've always been partial to The Count, myself.
Also...it was a little cringeworthy to see Katy Perry basically pouting and otherwise giving mannerisms like a little girl.
Come to think of it, when I saw her singing on SNL, throughout her acts, she had this nervous look in her eyes that seemed to say, "Aw, gee, I hope I don't screw up...don't make me screw up...please don't make me screw up!"
