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Toho is making their own Godzilla movies again!

Now that is something of a "double take" situation. I thought the 2014 Legendary Film did really well in Japan. For all its debatable flaws, most seem to agree "King of the Monsters" is the better film. Having the 4 "heavy hitters" of kaiju cinema, one would have thought it would have been a smash hit in Nippon.

Very odd, indeed...
 
Now that is something of a "double take" situation. I thought the 2014 Legendary Film did really well in Japan. For all its debatable flaws, most seem to agree "King of the Monsters" is the better film. Having the 4 "heavy hitters" of kaiju cinema, one would have thought it would have been a smash hit in Nippon.

Very odd, indeed...

Actually not that much better, at roughly $ 30 million. Well, I guess that's 20 percent better?!

IMO Toho should seek an international partner for secured worldwide distribution while producing the films themselves. That way, even if the movies don't perform gangbusters at the Japanese box office, they stillhave the income through the international partner. And it should be relatively easy to find willing partners, seeing as Godzilla has a very loyal fanbase worldwide. The only problem might be that said partner would likely want more traditional Godzilla movies, seeing as even "Shin Godzilla" split the international fandom (and Netflix is probably still sour over the anime trilogy).
 
Now that is something of a "double take" situation. I thought the 2014 Legendary Film did really well in Japan. For all its debatable flaws, most seem to agree "King of the Monsters" is the better film. Having the 4 "heavy hitters" of kaiju cinema, one would have thought it would have been a smash hit in Nippon.

They've seen those characters in plenty of movies over the decades, so the mere presence of those kaiju isn't going to be enough to make it an automatic success, not without something else to make it worth their while. Maybe it was just too American an interpretation. Or maybe it was just so steeped in homage to past Godzilla films that it felt old hat to the Japanese audience. Or maybe they were confused by a Godzilla who was portrayed more like Gamera.
 
I don't know how to post a link to this, but Criterion just announced their October 2019 releases and #1000 is the complete Showa era Godzilla films box set. All fifteen Godzilla movies from 1954-1975 uncut in Japanese and English. Christmas is coming early this year.
 
Interesting. I wonder if Terror of Mechagodzilla is uncensored in both versions. I had a English VHS of it that was dubbed but the DVD I have of it was.
 
It appears that this edition includes the Japanese cut of "King Kong vs Godzilla", a first for an English-language edition. So, I'd be surprised if they'd not have the uncut version of " Terror of Mechagodzilla".
 
So, Toho had its first official Godzilla booth at SDCC this year, and one of the official "Godzilla Strategic Conference", Akito Takahashi, was present.

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SyFy Wire| Toho's Godzilla hits Comic-Con with its first booth, part of a master plan

Takahashi says the company, which licenses its characters and consults on the Legendary films, is happy with the westernized blockbusters. That said, Toho's future plans for its most famous monster are a little different from Legendary's route.
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There have been several sequels in the Toho canon, but in an era of cinematic universes, with some far more successful than others, Takahashi says Toho isn't going to force any multi-movie throughline.

"To be honest, it's probably going to be up to the creators and the directors," he says. "If they want to bring back something that they think is relevant to the fans and the time and the relevance of whatever we can put out there that's going to make it very interesting."


Well, I guess that means Toho would be up for extending the licence to Legendary, so on that point the ball is now in Legendary's court. Since they had their own hour-long panel at SDCC that apparently didn't produce any news whatsoever (I only learned about there having been a MonsterVerse panel today) seems to indicate that they're not ready to make a final decision. Or, they don't want to announce the end of the MonsterVerse before GvsK is released.

As for Toho's new movies, it appears to me they're taking a similar approach as they did with the Millennium-era movies.
 
While the multiple continuities of the Godzilla series are part of its character, I wouldn't mind seeing a continuing universe with recurring characters, like we had in the Heisei series (and now the Legendary series).
 
Well, I guess that means Toho would be up for extending the licence to Legendary, so on that point the ball is now in Legendary's court. Since they had their own hour-long panel at SDCC that apparently didn't produce any news whatsoever (I only learned about there having been a MonsterVerse panel today) seems to indicate that they're not ready to make a final decision. Or, they don't want to announce the end of the MonsterVerse before GvsK is released.
Yeah, this is the first I even heard a reference to a Monsterverse panel. None of the sites I go to regularly, mainly IGN, Tor.com, and Io9, ever said a thing about it. All three of those sites have reported on the movies fairly whenever there was news, so they do cover them.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to an MCU-like approach with standalone movies for each monster before putting them all together again.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to an MCU-like approach with standalone movies for each monster before putting them all together again.

The monsters aren't the issue. There have always been recurring monsters and crossovers between them, but Toho kaiju movies have very rarely had any recurring human characters. In the Showa series, Mothra's tiny twin heralds the Shobijin appeared in three films, but otherwise, there were at most two scientist characters who appeared in more than one film, Dr. Yamane from the first two films and Professor Miura from Mothra vs. Godzilla and Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster, although some sources report his character in the latter film as Professor Murai instead. There was even the weird case of Frankenstein Conquers the World and its direct sequel The War of the Gargantuas, in which the three lead roles were renamed, two of them were recast, and their backstory was retconned to a different city, even though it was explicitly presented as a continuation of the same storyline (except in the English dub where the Frankenstein connection is glossed over).

A couple of Showa characters were brought back in later films/continuities -- Emiko Yamane from the original film returned in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, and Chujo from Mothra returned in Tokyo SOS. But otherwise, the only recurring characters in the franchise were in the last six Heisei films (primarily the psychic Miki Saegusa, who was in all six films in roles ranging from supporting to lead) and in the two "Kiryu" films in the Millennium era -- plus the anime trilogy, of course, but that's just one long story in three parts, so it's not the same as a character returning in a later story.

The Heisei series was my favorite, largely because it's the only one with (relative) continuity and developing character and story arcs from film to film. For all that the Showa films crossed over and used each other's monsters, they otherwise had very little continuity and contradicted each other all the time. The Heisei films had their share of continuity conflicts, but there was an overall sense of interconnectedness, not just through the Miki character but through the way humanity's tactics for fighting kaiju advanced from film to film.
 
The monsters aren't the issue. There have always been recurring monsters and crossovers between them, but Toho kaiju movies have very rarely had any recurring human characters.
I suppose part of that is the idea that the monsters are the real stars. They are after all the main reason we watch these movies. I think that in addition to more recurring human characters, they also need to be more memorable. The characters in the anime trilogy, for example, were so bland and forgettable that they could be replaced with anybody and it would make no difference.
 
I suppose part of that is the idea that the monsters are the real stars. They are after all the main reason we watch these movies.

I don't agree. The kaiju movies that stand out from the pack for me are the ones that have engaging characters and emotional impact. When I think back on the most memorable moments in kaiju movies, they're scenes about people, whether they're interacting with others or with the kaiju.


I think that in addition to more recurring human characters, they also need to be more memorable.

Wanting the latter is my reason for proposing the former. Having characters recur gives us more of an opportunity to get to know them and care about them, and for the writers to develop them more fully. It makes them less interchangeable, more central.
 
I don't agree. The kaiju movies that stand out from the pack for me are the ones that have engaging characters and emotional impact. When I think back on the most memorable moments in kaiju movies, they're scenes about people, whether they're interacting with others or with the kaiju
But the monsters are the thing that gets us in the seats in the first place. We come for the monsters and then stay for the engaging characters.
 
But the monsters are the thing that gets us in the seats in the first place. We come for the monsters and then stay for the engaging characters.

Your last half-sentence is exactly my point -- that it's better if they have engaging characters. And having recurring, developing characters is a good way to achieve that.
 
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