To me, this 2 minute video is better than anything Alex Kurtzman has done

[Jayson1]

Roddenberry talked a lot and made tons of empty promises, I don't believe he ever truly intended to have LGBTQ characters on TNG, he easily could have if he wanted to, lots of shows in the 80s had them, it wasn't common but also not unheard of so I doubt the studio would have stopped them.

Blood and Fire was a bad script judging by the fan film that was ultimately produced. I don't know how much it was rewritten when it turned from a TNG script into a TOS script but the story was atrocious. There's a gay couple, one of them gets space aids which means he and all the other infected must be killed (WTF?!) and after a lot of back and forth he dies and his devastated partner leaves the ship. Complete and utter crap and it was rightfully rejected for being an awful idea and had it been made as a TNG episode it would have been seen as offensive. It's literally burying the gays and also completely falls flat as an AIDS allegory because it portrays the infected as a danger to society.

The script was probably awful but I am guessing the idea was to offer commentary on the AIDS virus. If it was made I bet it would have ended up being something like "Code of Honor" were they think they making something progressive only to come out offensive because of 80's attitudes at the time. Remember even progressive people in the past were not always progressive by modern standards.

 

[fireproof78]

If anyone wants to hear Gerrold's thoughts he did up the story in his "Star Wolf" series.

 

[Kor]

I saw something recently – can't remember where – that pointed out that the Star Trek truly closest to "Roddenberry's vision" is Star Trek: The Motion Picture and season one of TNG, both of which are often maligned as being simply not very good, even by die-hard fans. (I'll defend TMP all day, but despite being a massive TNG fan I'll freely admit season one is the eggiest of curate's eggs.)

Well TMP and TNG are the Trek productions (besides TOS) where he had the most direct control over the thing. I would say that they incorporate his self-important New Age-y pop philosophy ideas that he got really into in the 1970s when he was doing the lecture circuit. This was years after TOS, and that stuff had nothing to do with the original Star Trek, but when it came time for him to return to Trek again, he shoehorned it into that setting as if it was meant to be there all along as his "vision." With TMP it shows up a lot more in the novelization than in the movie.

Kor

 

[BillJ]

If anyone wants to hear Gerrold's thoughts he did up the story in his "Star Wolf" series.

That is the most overrated sci-fi series, pretty much ever. I found it unreadable.

 

[fireproof78]

That is the most overrated sci-fi series, pretty much ever. I found it unreadable.

Damn.

I thought it was ok, not great, but not unreadable either.

Had some oddball elements, and the second book is probably my favorite of them.

 

[BillJ]

I thought it was ok, not great, but not unreadable either.

Don't look at me to explain your lack of taste!

 

[fireproof78]

Don't look at me to explain your lack of taste!

I mean, that's fair but unreadable is a high bar for me to say. It was nothing groundbreaking, and I certainly liked it for Gerrold's perspective on writing the book than the book itself.

 

[BillJ]

...I certainly liked it for Gerrold's perspective on writing the book...

I have The World of Star Trek by him. Good book.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

I have The World of Star Trek by him. Good book.

I probably borrowed it five or six times from my library, along with the Bantam episode adaptations. Gerrold has interesting takes on ENTERPRISE INCIDENT, plus an older draft of CLOUD MINDERS with far more Uhura....

 

[Richard S. Ta]

So finally, what is this waste of time thread even about?

 

[HotRod]

So finally, what is this waste of time thread even about?

I liked when it was about Ice Cream.... I had to go out a pick myself up a tub of Cookies and Cream. Delicious.

 

[The Wormhole]

I think Berman knew not to rock the boat with his bosses, and so put his own job security over David Gerrold and GR's plans of doing "Blood and Fire", having men in skirts and gay couples in Ten Forward.

Even then, we do see a man wearing the "skant" uniform all throughout TNG S1. The only reason we stopped seeing him is because the skant was removed (for both males and females) is S2.

 

[Forbin]

I miss ice cream. I got more and more lactose intolerant as I got older. Then I got my gall bladder removed a couple of years ago, and that was that for ice cream.

 

[Forbin]

Oh, and, I never cared for the OP video. Way too fanboi.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

OP seems to have flounced anyway.

 

[1001001]

OP seems to have flounced anyway.

Yeah, you mean people scared him off.

Nice going.

 

[Takeru]

So finally, what is this waste of time thread even about?

The waste of time Blood and Fire script that thankfully never wasted an episode of TNG.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

The waste of time Blood and Fire script that thankfully never wasted an episode of TNG.

Fair enough. Have fun.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah, you mean people scared him off.

Nice going.

Where does one go if they don't have the mental stamina to hang out with Trekkies?

 

[Jayson1]

So finally, what is this waste of time thread even about?

Time well spent. If I wasn't wasting my time in this thread I would have likely been wasting it some other way instead.