To Accept or Not to Accept

[hal9500]

I cant argue with anyone who wants to give it a chance, im only pointing out the sad truth of what trek has gone to.... the dogs!

I think it went to the dogs right here:

but I will watch it anyways! haters are just trollin'

very good, lmao!!!!!!!

 

[hal9500]

Think of the sacrifice of the Seventh fleet, they died defending the federation from ruthless facists, who wanted to impose there own belief system on the quadrant!!!!

And remember this reboot clearly violates the temporal prime directive!!! Some one should contact MR Bana and remind him that he may expect a visit from temporal investigations!!! Might have to give Cpt Braxton a shout!

 

[Michael]

Completely agree, Canon is what made star trek.

Sorry, but I really can't take anyone seriously who thinks canon is what 'made Star Trek'.

It's just fiction. It's all made up. How good a Star Trek episode or movie is, does in no way whatsoever depend on how much it adheres to canon.

If canon is really all that matters to you, then I'm really sorry you're not going to get the movie you wanted. I'm really sorry this is not about the adventures of Captain Riker on the USS Titan or whatever the hell you imagined.

 

[hal9500]

Completely agree, Canon is what made star trek.

Sorry, but I really can't take anyone seriously who thinks canon is what 'made Star Trek'.

It's just fiction. It's all made up. How good a Star Trek episode or movie is, does in no way whatsoever depend on how much it adheres to canon.

If canon is really all that matters to you, then I'm really sorry you're not going to get the movie you wanted. I'm really sorry this is not about the adventures of Captain Riker on the USS Titan or whatever the hell you imagined.

In all honesty thats one of the things i believe. But i see your point, and respect it! Honestly ive just seen a hilarious picture on the blue warp nacelles page and im in convulsions of laughter. I cant concentrate on this anymore!@!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and for what its worth i hope the film is successful.... maybe it will be better than it seems!

 

[Garak]

That is outrageously level headed and sensible!!!!

I've been drinking. Heavily.

Obviously; you're awake and posting.

You should see what I have to do to get and maintain an erection. Actually no, you probably shouldn't.

 

[sunburn800]

TOS opened my mind to things i had never thought before i enjoyed many a saturday watching my heros defeat evil. The enterprise and gang was my way out of a sometimes bitter life, now 30 years later it looks like this new movie may open my mind again with new wonders and new heros. If star trek did anything it showed me never to close a door before i opened it.

 

[Lashmore]

You cannot use quotes from star trek about things that the characters themselves cannot prove.

Scientists thoerise that it is possible if one tiem travels, he is effecting an alternate dimension whilst his original own dimension remains the same.

Worf wouldn't know better, he'd just see his actions changing things around him and saying "see I did it to my world" when infact he's in an alternate reality created by his changing of time. he wouldn't know its alternate unless a big sign hit him across the face with "alternate reality you created, dumbass."

 

[Skywalker]

They could have created a new crew on a new ship, from any era, and achieved the same goals. Instead they have desecrated something near and dear to my heart, if not the hearts of all trekkies!

Not mine. I couldn't care less about James T. Kirk or Spock or any of the others. They're not the Star Trek I grew up with. But if they were doing a TNG remake instead, I'd still be willing to give it a chance, especially if it looked as awesome as Abrams' film looks so far.

 

[Gojira]

As a loyal trekkie from birth(my father was a life long fan) i view this situation from a logical point of view. First a proven point.

• Star Trek Universe/canon, allows for only one timeline. This has been proven time and time again. To quote Worf from the DS9 EP "Children of time" if you change the past, the time line you exist in is altered. If like in that episode you stop a key event, "your timeline will collapse". Therefore if there is no reset at the end (i doubt there will be in any case) then 40+ Years of trek collapses and is deemed a dead timeline, such as the one in the above DS0 episode. Another example would be STVOY "Year of hell".

Therefore as of the release of this Film, all of star trek history TOS to Nemesis is gone... Period.

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

From the cancellation of Enterprise, i longed for more trek, and rejoiced at the first Star Trek XI Poster!!! As a lifelong fan i welcomed the film when announced as it was made clear the producers and director would "remain true" to Star Trek itself.

This it would seem is not the case...

I watched Enterprise with growing dissatisfaction but as a loyal follower, devoted, and with seemingly blind faith. If i were to accept this film and view it, i would be betraying the true star trek time line.

Therefore reluctantly i will not view it. For me, Star Trek died with enterprise, and its time line ended with Nemesis... Not a brilliant ending it has to be said. But none the less an ending. I have spent thousands of Euros on star trek memorabilia over the years, and own a full collection of DVD'S, and VHS. I feel, that as a loyal Trekkie i have the right to make this choice. I impose my belief on no one. I merely make it known, and would appreciate your opinion, and how you will deal with it!

Long Live Star Trek,

or

as you may now say

Star Trek is dead! Long Live Star Trek!

You said it has been proven Star Trek only allows one time line because of an episode of DS9!?

All of this stuff is fiction and the writers are limited only by their imaginations. They can have as many time lines as they want because none of it is real!

I think this movie looks great and I am looking forward to it.

 

[pookha]

As a loyal trekkie from birth(my father was a life long fan) i view this situation from a logical point of view. First a proven point.

• Star Trek Universe/canon, allows for only one timeline. This has been proven time and time again. To quote Worf from the DS9 EP "Children of time" if you change the past, the time line you exist in is altered. If like in that episode you stop a key event, "your timeline will collapse". Therefore if there is no reset at the end (i doubt there will be in any case) then 40+ Years of trek collapses and is deemed a dead timeline, such as the one in the above DS0 episode. Another example would be STVOY "Year of hell".

Therefore as of the release of this Film, all of star trek history TOS to Nemesis is gone... Period.

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

From the cancellation of Enterprise, i longed for more trek, and rejoiced at the first Star Trek XI Poster!!! As a lifelong fan i welcomed the film when announced as it was made clear the producers and director would "remain true" to Star Trek itself.

This it would seem is not the case...

I watched Enterprise with growing dissatisfaction but as a loyal follower, devoted, and with seemingly blind faith. If i were to accept this film and view it, i would be betraying the true star trek time line.

Therefore reluctantly i will not view it. For me, Star Trek died with enterprise, and its time line ended with Nemesis... Not a brilliant ending it has to be said. But none the less an ending. I have spent thousands of Euros on star trek memorabilia over the years, and own a full collection of DVD'S, and VHS. I feel, that as a loyal Trekkie i have the right to make this choice. I impose my belief on no one. I merely make it known, and would appreciate your opinion, and how you will deal with it!

Long Live Star Trek,

or

as you may now say

Star Trek is dead! Long Live Star Trek!

i grew up watching trek.first run star trek.
and guess what as far back as tos minor changes were made to the time line.
the tos crew interferred in past events.
not all was set back as exactly was.

yesterdays enterprise both fufilled destiny but changed history when tasha yar went back.

heck we dont know what will or will not happen here.
but no i dont feel threatened by this film.

 

[Kelso]

The Star Trek franchise hasn't produced anything that was genuinely good in a decade.


We need a fresh start.

 

[uniderth]

Don't worry hal I'm not planning on watching it either. I'm not going to have my dollars supporting something I don't agree with. Of course this is all dependent upon the actual content of the film. If it is clearly shown in the film that it is in a parallel universe then I'll be willing to accept it so long as not other films or series take place in this parallel universe. After all there's not point in spendning a lot of time in a parallel universe when our "real" Star Trek universe hasn't been fleshed out yet.

So I'm going to read reviews and see if it's mentioned anywhere that it is obvious to the average "non-Star Trek fan" that it takes place in an alternate universe then I will watch it.

 

[True Trek Fan]

Star Trek for someone like myself who grew up with the original is basically the interaction between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Somehow by the time of Star Trek III the franchise fell apart. I don't mind revisiting the TOS era, what makes me gringe is the dumbing down effect and the total disregard for continuity both in story and set design ( JJ's Enterprise looks like crap). Lets face it, JJ Abrams has made mostly stinkers like Mission Impossible III. When you hear Kirk's character in the trailer say, "why are you talking to me man" I feel as if why should I even bother waisting my time anticipating the release of this film and shell out 12 bucks? Didn't Chris Pine say he molded his James T. Kirk character on Han Solo?!? Is it just me or is there anyone else out there who, to quote Han, "has really bad feeling about this!?!"

 

[trevanian]

Didn't Chris Pine say he molded his James T. Kirk character on Han Solo?!? Is it just me or is there anyone else out there who, to quote Han, "has really bad feeling about this!?!"

He may have modeled it on Solo, but Ford didn't think Solo was anything. What was his quote about wanting the character killed off, something like, "He ain't got no mama, no papa, no story." Well, that worked fine for Kirk. Filling in all these blanks isn't making Kirk live any better for me, no matter who is trying to play him.

It's a movie with space battles that might have a really good score. That is all I can say with any certainty, and any good feeling.

I think I understand now how Harlan Ellison felt when he saw YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES. His complaint about the big thuggee pyramid built in secret under London has become my 'ship built on earth' horror. Then again, he hadn't had three decades of the same folks playing these characters like we have, so maybe I am even more entitled to this view than he was.

 

[M'Sharak]

Didn't Chris Pine say he molded his James T. Kirk character on Han Solo?!?

No, not really.

Here's what he did say:

When asked who he would like his incarnation of the Starship Enterprise captain to most resemble, Pine responded, "I would definitely say Harrison Ford in either Indiana Jones or Star Wars. What Harrison Ford is so great at doing is bringing that quality to his characters that if they could be anywhere else in the world they would be there, but he is not, he just is in the middle of s*** and he has to figure out a way of dealing with it so that he can go back to doing whatever the hell he was doing before the film started.

"I've always loved that quality about him in Star Wars, this sense of absolute grumpy manner; the accidental hero. Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk."

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/858/858172p1.html

 

[BillJ]

I'll be willing to accept it so long as not other films or series take place in this parallel universe. After all there's not point in spendning a lot of time in a parallel universe when our "real" Star Trek universe hasn't been fleshed out yet.

What exactly hasn't been fleshed out yet? We've seen the Trek universe from the mid ninteenth century and beyond. We've had 700 televised episodes, ten movies and hundreds of comics/novels. I've read somewhere that there are nine basic story structures... that means Trek has tackled each one close to eighty times in the current universe.

What do we want next Star Trek: Caravan with Captain Maneway exploring the Beta Quadrant?

The unfortunate fact of the matter is that there aren't any 'mainstream' stories left to be told in the current continuity. Stories that will have people flocking to the theaters or turning on their TV's en masse.

 

[Amaris]

I will accept it, because it will become part of the Star Trek mythos, regardless of who does and does not accept it.

J.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Star Trek used to be something bigger and grander than a mere comic book hero, or a mere James Bond movie that rewrites itself over and over again. Star Trek used to be intact, a whole, that was ADDED to, not tossed out whenever a new writer or producer thought he could do better than those who came before.

I have no interest in a new take at all, therefor this movie has no interest to me.

What franchise have you been watching? The Star Trek I grew up with was more that happy to toss out anything that the producers thought didn't work.

 

[Pindar]

This thread is the funniest one we have had for a while.

It cheers me up every morning whilst I drink my Coffee.

 

[pookha]

I'll be willing to accept it so long as not other films or series take place in this parallel universe. After all there's not point in spendning a lot of time in a parallel universe when our "real" Star Trek universe hasn't been fleshed out yet.

What exactly hasn't been fleshed out yet? We've seen the Trek universe from the mid ninteenth century and beyond. We've had 700 televised episodes, ten movies and hundreds of comics/novels. I've read somewhere that there are nine basic story structures... that means Trek has tackled each one close to eighty times in the current universe.

What do we want next Star Trek: Caravan with Captain Maneway exploring the Beta Quadrant?

The unfortunate fact of the matter is that there aren't any 'mainstream' stories left to be told in the current continuity. Stories that will have people flocking to the theaters or turning on their TV's en masse.

but onscreen we have almost next to nothing about this period in the lives of the tos characters.
and if people are worried about contradictions ect ..
well some of the novels who deal with the period contradict each other anyway.