To Accept or Not to Accept

[IrritatingGameOfChess]

Hasn't "Trek" become a modern pop culture myth like heroes who started in the print medium (James Bond, Sherlock Holmes) or in comic books? How many continuities are there for Batman, for example? Is there one canon for Superman? James Bond is a cold war creation who is still young and in his fighting prime in the 21st century...

These "modern" myths are subject to reinterpretation by new artists and writers. Is this any less valid for a franchise that was initially created for the screen? Being reinvented or reinterpreted means that the franchise has graduated a new level - that of mythic stature.

It seems like a good thing to me!

 

[hal9500]

Im getting that most of you will accept this with no great difficulty.. Fine... Thats really all im interested in. Im not hitting out at anyone least of all Abrams... Im a "LOST" fan, and i enjoyed "Cloverfield". He is not a bad director and a good writer. BUT... there are some things you cannot do... This film relagates TOS to TNG timeline to redundancy... Im sorry but it does... very cleverly il admit!!! But that is something i cannot accept... to much history exists in that timeline, great storys, epic battles, confrontations with the unknown, and making it redundant to reinvigourate the franchise... is ... in my opinion... wrong. Im entitled to my opinion, and will not slag or jeer my fellow trekkies. We are all trekkies after all!

 

[3D Master]

Star Trek used to be something bigger and grander than a mere comic book hero, or a mere James Bond movie that rewrites itself over and over again. Star Trek used to be intact, a whole, that was ADDED to, not tossed out whenever a new writer or producer thought he could do better than those who came before.

I have no interest in a new take at all, therefor this movie has no interest to me.

 

[smegger56]

I accept this new film... if it's good ( which i believe it will be)

Now, the whole timeline argument.

Everyone says that Nero going back in time will not alter the 'prime' time line, right? That what happened in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY still happens. But, in Trek, time travel stories dont happen like that.

Look at First Contact? Borg went back in time, and the prime timeline was changed. Picard and crew had to go back and restore history.

When Sisko and others ended up back in the 21st century slums, and gabriale bell dies in the episode Past Tense, Benjaman Sisko becomes Bell after Bell dies, and the future has siskos picture as Bell.

Many episodes have the prime timeline altered and then restored. ST09 actually changes the history of Trek by the looks of it. And now, we go ape S**T about it.

Ask yourselves this question: If by going back in time all it does is create a new timeline whilst keeping the 'prime' timeline intact, then why bother going back in time at all? Why should old Spock go back to stop Nero when it won't affect the 'prime' timeline at all?

I'd like to think the writers are just saying 'its an altered timeline' just to please the fans who can't accept the the changes. I hope it's just them biding time until he film and plot are revealed.

Trek, IMO, needs this rebooting. What better way to do it than to do it via established cannon.

 

[hal9500]

Star Trek used to be something bigger and grander than a mere comic book hero, or a mere James Bond movie that rewrites itself over and over again. Star Trek used to be intact, a whole, that was ADDED to, not tossed out whenever a new writer or producer thought he could do better than those who came before.

I have no interest in a new take at all, therefor this movie has no interest to me.

I See I am not alone after all... as i suspected... You cant stop us... we are everywhere!

In all honesty i agree completely with this users point of view!

 

[StCoop]

Star Trek used to be something bigger and grander than a mere comic book hero, or a mere James Bond movie that rewrites itself over and over again. Star Trek used to be intact, a whole, that was ADDED to, not tossed out whenever a new writer or producer thought he could do better than those who came before.

Remind me again; when did the Eugenics Wars take place?

 

[Pindar]

Remind me again; when did the Eugenics Wars take place?

Take your pick

TOS 1990's
TNG mid 21st Century
DS9 in the mid-to-late 22nd century
ENT 20th Century

 

[hal9500]

Star Trek used to be something bigger and grander than a mere comic book hero, or a mere James Bond movie that rewrites itself over and over again. Star Trek used to be intact, a whole, that was ADDED to, not tossed out whenever a new writer or producer thought he could do better than those who came before.

Remind me again; when did the Eugenics Wars take place?

Continuity is a different matter! this always occurs as a result of events taking place as we speak.. this is something more... and entirely unnecessary!
They could have created a new crew on a new ship, from any era, and achieved the same goals. Instead they have desecrated something near and dear to my heart, if not the hearts of all trekkies!

 

[BillJ]

I'll accept the new movie and new timeline that goes with it. Below are my thoughts from another thread...

How many times did you think Paramount could go to the well building off of something from a whole different era? Where sensibilties were so completely different? There comes a point in time where one must move on. I don't 'need' for people to continue to build on the current Trek continuity. It's a nice bonus and has went on far longer than I'd ever imagined. I'll be the first to admit that I got a hard-on when I saw the Defiant from the 'In A Mirror, Darkly' two-parter. But... the time's they are a-changin'.

Do I disagree with some of the things I've seen so far in the new movie? Sure. But them's the breaks...

When I get home at roughly 3am on May 8th, I'll check to make sure JJ hasn't broken into my house and stolen my Trek on DVD/Blu-Ray. Yes, even though JJ is over-writing current continuity I'll still be picking up the TOS Blu-Ray set on April 28th.

 

[hal9500]

It is a different continuity or canon is the general idea im getting here! Am i right?

 

[Michael]

They could have created a new crew on a new ship, from any era, and achieved the same goals.

Wrong. Nobody would watch that. You know, Paramount wants to make money with this movie.

Instead they have desecrated something near and dear to my heart, if not the hearts of all trekkies!

Wait a minute, desecrated? Get real. This is only entertainment.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I second BillJ's comments above...

I would rather this film somehow end in a universe that could later become WNMHGB and the rest of TOS. However, if it does not, I will not "disavow" it -- and if it's good, I will even enjoy it.

I mean, it's just a movie -- I'm not about to take a militant stand against a movie. There are more important things to worry about.

 

[Tom]

"Tos will always be alive as long as you remember it" - Something Spock was trying to tell me on my birthday..

 

[StCoop]

See, I've no problem with someone not wanting to see the film for whatever reason but when it turns into "JJ Abrams Raped My Childhood!" it gets a bit ridiculous. (You can desecrate a grave, a pop culture concept not so much.)

If you read the comics or books then you're going to have new material based on everything pre this film for years to come. If you don't then it doesn't really matter and all the original episodes and films are still there to be watched whenever you want.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Mirror Universe is part of star trek canon in linked countless times to the regular universe... In the concept of trek there is one canon.... And this aint it! As i said there is no begrudging involved... Enjoy the film, im just curious as to how this time around (no pun intended) You can reconcile it with the rest. The spoilers, (many of which have been confirmed but will remain unmentioned here for obvious reasons) mean that most of the episodes and indeed films could not have taken place anymore... leaving room for remakes and re-dos...

With regards to the mirror universe it to is irrevocably altered by XI, as its technology originated from an event which may not take place in this mutated canon. Also key characters in several DS9 and Voy Episodes can not exist anymore once the revision takes place.. A seperate time line i could have accepted, but this story alters the current trek timeline... Im sorry if you disagree, but it clearly does. As i said, from one trekkie to another .. enjoy the film.. i know i couldnt.

I am one of the 'old farts'. And I totally hope they blow up the so called continuity (which was a mess long ago) and start over fresh...it has been long over due

Rob

 

[urbandk]

I am one of the 'old farts'. And I totally hope they blow up the so called continuity (which was a mess long ago) and start over fresh...it has been long over due

Rob

I'm with you... They've always just made up time travel as they go along. Sometimes it works one way. Sometimes it works another way. Bottom line: they use whatever works to tell their story.

I'm not going to sit in my basement and cry like a baby, posting threads befitting a jilted lover while others enjoy a well-crafted work of pop entertainment.

 

[BillJ]

It is a different continuity or canon is the general idea im getting here! Am i right?

All you have to do is watch the trailers. It's a new spin on a great series. Whether the new interpretation is worthwhile is up to you to decide.

There are definitely creative choices I dislike. But I won't judge the whole thing sight unseen.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

BUT... there are some things you cannot do...

On the contrary - the Trek people are doing them in this movie, no problem at all.

 

[indranee]

tut tut. young minds. fresh ideas. be tolerant.

 

[trevanian]

tut tut. young minds. fresh ideas. be tolerant.

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