TMP-DE fully restored in 4K…it’s about time!

[Ssosmcin]

Because, as stated above, this is the DIRECTOR'S EDITION. The purpose of the exercise is the make it the way Bob Wise wanted it if he had the time, money and technology in 1979 to make the edits and shots planned for in the storyboards.

It's not a Fan Cut. It's not a revisionist cut to include shows filmed later to tie everything together.

So, no, references to ANY show or movie made AFTER 1979 would not belong the DE.

I don't even know why this is a debate. The intentions of this cut were always clear.

If CBS/Paramount wants to make a "Franchise Cut" then they can add all of the references they desire. But that's not what this cut is about.

 

[Campe]

NX-01 didn’t exist in 1979 or when Bob Wise worked on the DE. NX-01 could conceivably be in a part of the rec deck we didn’t see. That’s enough for me.

 

[fireproof78]

Because, as stated above, this is the DIRECTOR'S EDITION. The purpose of the exercise is the make it the way Bob Wise wanted it if he had the time, money and technology in 1979 to make the edits and shots planned for in the storyboards.

It's not a Fan Cut. It's not a revisionist cut to include shows filmed later to tie everything together.

So, no, references to ANY show or movie made AFTER 1979 would not belong the DE.

I don't even know why this is a debate. The intentions of this cut were always clear.

If CBS/Paramount wants to make a "Franchise Cut" then they can add all of the references they desire. But that's not what this cut is about.

Because I question black and white thinking. Someone said "there's no reason!" And I thought "Well, there is a reason, regardless of how unpopular." So, I stated that reason. I personally don't see the issue even if I don't agree with it.

It's called a discussion for a reason. I think I have made myself clear on this point.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

The simple reason the NX-01 wasn’t added in is because it was never part of the film in any capacity. The Director’s Edition is supposed to represent what Wise wanted back in 1979. He wasn’t going for the George Lucas approach, and the producers of that were not going to go outside the bounds of what Wise had set.

 

[Indysolo]

I'm old enough to remember having this same conversation back in 2001 when the DVD came out.

 

[Therin of Andor]

A curiosity of mine? Yes. This ring ship is held up as extremely important with very limited information. Versus an actual hero ship. Again, not saying TMP should include the NX-01 but the idea that there is "no reason" to do it is one I find quite odd.

There is a reason: Robert Wise was not familiar with the NX-01 when creating his DE in 2000. Because that starship didn't exist.

 

[fireproof78]

There is a reason: Robert Wise was not familiar with the NX-01 when creating his DE in 2000. Because that starship didn't exist.

Ok. So many have said.

 

[Firebird]

I'm old enough to remember having this same conversation back in 2001 when the DVD came out.

I also remember the contingent that kept complaining about footage from the never-filmed Nogura scene hadn't been included. Good times.

 

[Grant]

Even worse was the omission of the "saucer sep." and battle with the Klingons at the end. That would have been a nice add!

 

[Maurice]

Even worse was the omission of the "saucer sep." and battle with the Klingons at the end. That would have been a nice add!

Never was planned to happen. Probert just proposed it (one of two ideas he floated).

 

[Therin of Andor]

I also remember the contingent that kept complaining about footage from the never-filmed Nogura scene hadn't been included. Good times.

Yes, it is still being asked for. Even though it would have pre-empted much of the Scotty scene.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Yes, Admin (ie. me) was being bullied relentlessly from several fronts for several hours. Those who continued after being told to stop were booted.

I can sympathize. A week or two ago, a member of the FB I admin was chastising me in a thread for being "condescending" in a response to him in a PM about a thread where I'd either shut off the commenting or deleted the post altogether. I looked the poster up in my message archives. The exchange he had with me was four years ago.

People bear grudges, man.

Jerk things Kirk does:
Goes behind Decker's back to take the ship.
Let's everyone else know before Decker, humiliating him.
Busts Decker down a rank instead of simply taking Enterprise as Flagship and letting Decker do his job.
Grabs the transporter controls from Rand like she's doing something wrong or he's suddenly the God of Transporter Controls, then halfheartedly tells her it wasn't her fault.
Refuses to listen to Scotty. Everyone in Engineering is jumpy. A mistake is made leading to the death or two people in a horrific transporter accident (See above)
Is so racist/speciesist about the Science Office seat he apparently just thinks they are slots to be filled by whatever Vulcan is hanging around HQ. When he can't get one and Decker is the bearer of bad news, Kirk puts him on Double-duty.. because clearly there isn't anyone else in the 400something crew that can fill in.
Barks at Uhura in front of the entire crew to turn off the viewer a second time when she's not hustling fast enough. (thankfully they excised this tiny bit from the DE. I appreciated that )
Nearly gets everyone killed in the wormhole because he's not current on the ship he decided to fly a few hours earlier.
Chastised the guy who saved everyone on the ship from his mistake for "Competing with him."
Puts Decker in an emotionally compromising situation with a golem of his ex-gf just to see if it will elicit enough of an emotional response to make it worthwhile. Spoiler. It doesn't.
Wipes his junk on the guest towels in the officer's lounge just to make the ship his. (I was astonished they put this scene back in! ok I made it up. but he probably did it)
Won't list Ilia and Decker as casualties, which they clearly are. The jerk won't even let Decker die or get a proper service with honors, death benefits, whatever.

not a good week for Kirk, no.

forgot to add:
Drafts McCoy back into service because "I need you badly", even though Chapel is the CMO and seems to be doing just fine. She's the one that treats an injured Chekhov

Brilliant list! This is part of why as much as I enjoy certain aspects of TMP, I still think it's a highly flawed story, because Kirk and Spock are unappealing jerks for much of the film and almost completely unlike the fellows we saw on TOS.

The idea was that as the mission unfolds, Kirk starts to realize WHY he is obsessed with commanding the Enterprise....it's not about the nature of command or even the mission. It's about the relationships and trusting his crew and his friends.

It's the best part of TMP, in my opinion, and not something to be critical of (either in terms of the writing or the character).

The idea of Kirk realizing that he's been wrong about something is fine. That's the basis for some of my favorite Trek stories, TWOK and TUC among them. What I don't care for is Kirk being an arrogant, ignorant jackass for 75% of the film. They could've brought Kirk to that "I know nothing" moment (to use Nicholas Meyer's terminology for it) without him being a jerk. And he's a jerk for most of TMP.

GOD, do I wish that Gene Coon was still around in the late '70s to rewrite Roddenberry on TMP.

Because, as stated above, this is the DIRECTOR'S EDITION. The purpose of the exercise is the make it the way Bob Wise wanted it if he had the time, money and technology in 1979 to make the edits and shots planned for in the storyboards.

It's not a Fan Cut. It's not a revisionist cut to include shows filmed later to tie everything together.

So, no, references to ANY show or movie made AFTER 1979 would not belong the DE.

I don't even know why this is a debate. The intentions of this cut were always clear.

If CBS/Paramount wants to make a "Franchise Cut" then they can add all of the references they desire. But that's not what this cut is about.

But what if we added Poochie to the Rec Deck scene? That'd work, right?

 

[Warped9]

The Director’s Cut shouldn’t be about now doing something because you didn’t have the technology back in the day, like what a lot of TOS-R is. It should be about doing what you wanted and planned to do given the appropriate time and the resources you had at your disposal back in the day.

 

[Therin of Andor]

But what if we added Poochie to the Rec Deck scene? That'd work, right?

"Welshie!"

 

[Pauln6]

"Welshie!"

I think Welshie's lines can now be heard in the Rec Deck scene: "Yore avin a laff, boyo."

 

[Ssosmcin]

But what if we added Poochie to the Rec Deck scene? That'd work, right?

"I have to go now. My planet needs me."

 

[Jeyl]

...The NX-01 is just an ugly-looking ship. It would have detracted from the Refit's excellence.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

"I have to go now. My planet needs me."

NOTE: Ilia died on the way back to her home planet.

 

[fireproof78]

...The NX-01 is just an ugly-looking ship. It would have detracted from the Refit's excellence.

True.

I say we go from sailing ship Enterprise to TOS to the refit.

 

[arch101]

They need to change the wall graphic to CVN 80 or I’ll never watch Trek again!