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No, the Rebels are definitely worse off than they were at the beginning of the film.

Okay. Based on only what we see in ESB, what did the Empire gain? What was their ‘victory?’ Merely finding the Rebels in the opening scene?

Because we don’t see what happens to Cloud City.

They explicitly say they didn’t achieve their goals on Hoth.

And even assuming we count Sidious and Vader’s personal Sith-y goals under ‘Empire’, Luke doesn’t turn.

So...what did they win? Recruiting the neutral Lando for the other side?

It’s posible for the protagonists to lose, without the villains ‘winning.’ The Pyrrhic victory is a pretty normal storytelling device.

OK.

By the end of TESB, the Rebels got their butts kicked.

Based on what? Losing one base that they successfully evacuated? Which deprived the Empire of what they were hoping to gain from the attack?

Cos otherwise, the Rebel Alliance completely sits out ESB.

(And holy shit, I have just realised that Hoth was ‘winning by saving the ones we love.’ I am slow, and Johnson is a Star Wars-y bastard...)

OK.
Don't see it.

*Ahem*

The Rebels are still scurrying around as downtrodden guerrilla fighters.

Does that not describe the start of ESB?

Or does it somehow imply that the Rebels are the superior force, that aren’t desperate, and running from/fighting a larger and stronger enemy?
 
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Those Bothan’s had to successfully steal the Death Star plans at some point.
The Bothans didn’t steal any plans they only found out a new death star was being constructed

Plus remember the Emperor purposely allowed them to learn that information.
 
The Bothans didn’t steal any plans they only found out a new death star was being constructed

Plus remember the Emperor purposely allowed them to learn that information.
Presumably in a dialogue similar to this:
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The Bothans didn’t steal any plans they only found out a new death star was being constructed

Plus remember the Emperor purposely allowed them to learn that information.

And he killed many Bothans anyway. For doing exactly what he wanted them to.

(You know, I don’t think that Emperor fellow was a very nice guy.)

And yet... I saw a movie not so long ago that felt the need to ‘explain’ why Han had a surname. I could still totally see Disney making the Emperors line into ‘Rogue Two.’
 
And yet... I saw a movie not so long ago that felt the need to ‘explain’ why Han had a surname.
I don't see any problems with that. It wasn't much of a explanation but a character trait.

The Bothan's mission has already been covered in non-movie material.
 
It figures the EU had the Bothans as bipedal dogs.

After all, the most efficient way to set up a villain than have him kick a puppy.
 
well we don't have a 'canon' appearance for the Bothans yet, but one source says they communicate in 'growls'.
 
Have they redesigned anything we heard about in canon and only ever saw in the old EU? I was just wonder if we did see the Bothans in the new canon how likely it is that they would stick with the EU design.
 
*Ahem*

Does that not describe the start of ESB?
Um, no? "Scurrying around," in other words "running around," suggests no acknowledgement of a stationary home, i.e., a base. The Rebels are set back their base, the troops lost defending its evacuation, and heavy equipment that they did not have time to evacuate.

Okay. Based on only what we see in ESB, what did the Empire gain? What was their ‘victory?

Merely finding the Rebels in the opening scene?

Because we don’t see what happens to Cloud City.

They explicitly say they didn’t achieve their goals on Hoth.

And even assuming we count Sidious and Vader’s personal Sith-y goals under ‘Empire’, Luke doesn’t turn.

So...what did they win? Recruiting the neutral Lando for the other side?

It’s posible for the protagonists to lose, without the villains ‘winning.’ The Pyrrhic victory is a pretty normal storytelling device.
You know, besides the Bothans who we find out about in the sequel, a much more important seed to Rebel victory is planted in TESB itself: The possibility of Vader turning against the Emperor is hinted at when Vader suggests to the Emperor that Luke could be turned instead of killed. I'm talking here about the kind of thing that Vader ends up doing in ROTJ, as opposed to the offer he makes to Luke in TESB to team up against the Emperor. In retrospect, based solely on what we're told in TESB but under the assumption that Vader isn't lying about being Luke's father, that's pretty obviously Luke's father pleading for his son's life.

However, as it stands, without confirmation as to who Luke's father is, we only know that somebody's been lying to Luke. But we also know that Vader's lying to somebody, either Luke or the Emperor, or both. It's not simultaneously possible that Vader wants to overthrow the Emperor and rule the galaxy with Luke by his side and that Vader wants to help turn Luke to become an ally of the Emperor. But if the first possibility came to pass, that would still be a victory for the bad guys, even if the Emperor is no longer in the picture.

Luke may have escaped Cloud City, but the possibility of a dark path laid before him and the possibility of his familial connection to the evil he is fighting were not in the bargain when he started out, at least not in any way that he knew, however afraid Uncle Owen might have privately confided that he was to Aunt Beru that Luke had too much of his father in him. That shadow of evil casting itself over Luke is a victory for evil, and a victory for the Empire that is based on evil.

Is it the whole war? No, of course not. But it's a battle won. Vader managed to meet Luke and give him the option to help overthrow the Emperor. In so doing, Vader also managed to sow doubt in Luke about his own cause.

EpIV just represents a battle won. The Death Star might be destroyed, but Vader escaped, the Emperor still lives, and the Empire is just fine. The war's not settled; do we call that a draw? No. The good guys won that one.

In ROTS, Sidious becomes Emperor, and the Republic becomes the Empire. Yoda, Obi-Wan, Luke, and Leia live, but do we call it a draw? No. The bad guys won that one.

In EpV, the Empire manages to strike back. The Empire's cause is advanced, whereas the Rebels' is curtailed. The stakes are redefined in major ways that seem to favor evil.

P.S. Cloud City is seized by the Empire, the possibility of another Rebel base denied. There really isn't any doubt, since Lando sounds the alarm, and it's not like once there the Empire could be expected to just let it revert to a hands-off state.
 
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She didn't have any obligation to respond, but her response was, in a word, compelling.
I would also implore people to read reader comments.

Peter Nguyen in particular being eye-opening, especially regarding "separate checks" and assuming his assumption of wait staff's assumptions are correct, especially in the 21st century and it still goes on for people on a regular basis. I recently found out my ancestry goes back a few generations with mixed ethnicity and proven by older generations, so it's not mere empathy I feel for others, it does hit home directly.

And Daniel discusses how people would respond to his birth name. (Thank the media for perpetuation of such humor with stuff "Family Guy" and "Outsourced" and others put out? But Loan herself already mentioned the media. )

Rian Johnson should have worked harder to accept TLJ without deleting scenes as those featuring Rose add in the context for Rose's actions in what was kept on screen. The onus was never on her, nor should it have been.

And she's incontrovertible on the key issue: " I want to live in a world where people of all races, religions, socioeconomic classes, sexual orientations, gender identities and abilities are seen as what they have always been: human beings."

Idealism is wonderful. Still need a bit more than idealism to make it into reality for all. Read enough articles regarding "___ on ___ crime" and "___" is the same descriptor for both slots and there are even bigger problems than the requisite pragmatism. Also, didn't she get on the cover of "Vanity Fair" because her attractiveness would be validated by the widest possible audience? Or was she saying all that as means to back up her previous argument against the media as it seems to tie into that?
 
This is definitely the plight of minorities and women in leading roles.

If you are cast for the sake of representation, you are immediately held to a higher standard than your White counterparts. Your presence on the cast has an elevated importance. The downside to that is if your portrayal, character or film is divisive... you will be slapped down quite brutally. It's a double edged sword.

This is why the cast and characters of Crazy Rich Asians, Black Panther and more were praised after their respective films came out and did not receive online racial and gender 'harassment' like the casts of Ghostbusters 2016, and Loan Tran/Tico. Donnie Yen in Rogue One was received well as well.

The good news is Disney's Live Action Mulan will likely do incredible things for positive Asian representation in films, far more than Potato Sack Tico could ever have accomplished. Representation needs to be done in a flattering, positive way at this point in time. The problem with how they handled Tico was they made the Asian character the annoying, self-righteous and awkward-looking one. It wasn't a flattering or heroic portrayal at all and sadly it just reinforced everything that Loan Tran says in her interview that Asians are commonly typecast as. It wasn't an empowering role. It was barely even a leading role. Hollywood is on track to do better than this in the future, and good portrayals of minorities on film have been shown to change the minds of even the most prejudiced audience members.

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This is definitely the plight of minorities and women in leading roles.

If you are cast for the sake of representation, you are immediately held to a higher standard than your White counterparts. Your presence on the cast has an elevated importance. The downside to that is if your portrayal, character or film is divisive... you will be slapped down quite brutally.

Only by arseholes who see ‘women and minorities’ in movies, and assume ‘cast for diversity.’ Cos, ‘the agenda, oh noes.’

Which purely by coincidence, has a large overlap with arseholes who feel the need to ‘slap actors down brutally’ for the horrible crime of... acting.

Fortunately for the people at Disney (and the world at large), those people are low-effort simpletons. As such, they deserve nothing more than low-effort responses. Like being completely dismissed and ignored by anyone with creative power and ability.
 
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Only by arseholes who see ‘women and minorities’ in movies, and assume ‘cast for diversity.’

Diversity is used as a sales gimmick in Hollywood. That's a fact. It has become part of the promotional package for the movie to pat themselves on the back about diversity and how this or that is some great leap forward for mankind. And a certain segment of the public is going to be more favorable towards projects that are framed this way than they would otherwise.

Entertainment choices have become a sort of quasi-activism where people wave the flag on social networks to prove how woke they are, even if the underlying film or TV show underneath it is mediocre.

Sturgeon's law says 90 some-odd percent of everything is crap. That's true regardless of the racial or gender makeup of the cast.
 
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