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I'm not disputing that the Canto Bight sequence was integral to Finn's character, but character development is not narrative, and narratively, Canto Bight was a pointless exercise, which is exactly why it was part of the film in the first place.
The point of that part of the film was for world building not just a pointless exercise.
To show a seedier part of the galaxy, to show people profiting on both sides of the war.
Character development isn’t pointless. Unless you just want static cardboard cutouts to have lightsaber fights. I actually prefer to care about the characters and see them as actual people with their own motivations and concerns. You can’t even have a plot without decent characters with believable growth. Otherwise it’s just boring shit with special effects, like the prequels.
It’s the difference between good and bad writing.
I think Digific means pointless as in they fail to accomplish what they were sent there to do.
He is still wrong though, the entire thing wasn't pointless.
The biggest complaint leveled against the Canto Bight sequence is that it was a narrative "dead end", but what I am saying is this: it was Rian Johnson's intent for it to be a narrative dead end.
That is what I mean when I acknowledge that the sequence was "pointless"; I am undercutting the validity of that argument as a negative point against the film.
That is what I mean when I acknowledge that the sequence was "pointless"; I am undercutting the validity of that argument as a negative point against the film.
Bingo.
But a bit more on the humanization aspect: The deleted scene after her escape with Finn and, to me anyway, it looks like Rose is getting the hots for him, had that scene not been deleted, would that have helped the movie? (Immensely, but one little issue is still remaining: The movie having fans assume that ramming into the cannon with a fighter ship being "the answer" is the problem, where - deleted scene or not - Rose still looks selfish in saving Finn for no apparent reason. Not even a line that confirms her knowing something that would render his suicide pointless as means other or on top of "I love him", though her big line about saving what she loves isn't exactly bad and those that belittle it are missing any number of big picture points or parallels...
And yet it's not an unrealistic possibility that a person would save another under such circumstances.
It's still Just a scene that could have benefited from a little exposition at some point - even several minutes later after the rescue to confirm, which is something the movie has problems with - too many set pieces that lack enough underlying exposition and audience members don't all perceive what the storyteller is trying to say. That's ultimately Rian's issue. Nobody else's. I loved a lot of his ideas and twists, but the script was still what amounts to a rough draft.
I dunno. To me, it sufficiently works either way. But given how many railed over "She's selfish and his sacrifice would have saved all!" (despite zero proof of that, apart from "Well it's near the end of the movie so obviously such a heroic act of sacrifice is movie cliché writing 101").
For me "pointless" means: If you cut it out of the film it would be literally no different except for the missing run time. Since the whole detour was important for Finn's character and it's heroes not winning was the point I don't think pointless applies.
I think the character development could have been handled better, but I have to agree with Jinn. In TFA, Finn's motivation for working with the Resistance was two-fold: to first, escape the First Order, and then to help Rey. In TLJ, the idea (I think) was that Finn realized there was more to the battle than just that and that there were actual people to save. It didn't quite work, but Canto Bight, while not necessarily the best way to do this, was a big part of the journey.
I agree. It showcases far more than of the universe for Finn and opens his eyes to what is worth fighting for.
So, like four-fifths of Raiders Of The Lost Ark?
The only thing Indy achieves in the movie. Is saving Marion from a nasty burn. He’s literally immobile during the climax, and there’s actually a good argument that he prolonged WW2 by getting involved.
And unlike TLJ, there’s no aesop or character development to be seen. It’s just a fun ride.
Well, if it's fun I'd be inclined to keep it.
wut
Someone who has watched the movie more recently might correct me on this, but I believe the Nazi’s original plan was to take it straight to Hitler in Berlin. Then Indy got involved, and villains got impatient and gloaty, and blah blah blah.
Which is probably why certain production people (*cough*) came back later and ‘clarified’ that of course they never meant to imply the Nazi’s were trying to open and use the Arc. The real threat was they’d just use it as propaganda!
Even though there’s no mention of propaganda in the movie itself, and only the the obtaining of God powers. But whatever....
Which is probably why certain production people (*cough*) came back later and ‘clarified’ that of course they never meant to imply the Nazi’s were trying to open and use the Arc. The real threat was they’d just use it as propaganda!
Even though there’s no mention of propaganda in the movie itself, and only the the obtaining of God powers. But whatever....
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It was Belloq who wanted to perform the Jewish ritual with the Ark before taking it to Berlin, Belloq who was involved with the Nazis before Indiana was brought in by the US government to find the Ark first. Not feeling the point.
Belloq doesn’t convince his cohorts to do their test run until well into the movie. After the Staff scene.
(Also, wasn’t there an earlier scene where the Nazi’s did try to immediately put the Ark on a plane to Belin? You know...the super forgettable sequence which ended with Indy wrecking a plane and splattering a Nazi?)
And even if he did do the test run, no Indy means the Americans don’t know where the Ark is. So Belloq and everyone else dies, The Nazi’s get impatient, someone is sent to find out what the hell happened, and Hitler gets the Ark anyway.
Assuming the second dude doesn’t also get himself zapped. In which case Indy stopped the German army from just slowly picking themselves off.
(Also, wasn’t there an earlier scene where the Nazi’s did try to immediately put the Ark on a plane to Belin? You know...the super forgettable sequence which ended with Indy wrecking a plane and splattering a Nazi?)
And even if he did do the test run, no Indy means the Americans don’t know where the Ark is. So Belloq and everyone else dies, The Nazi’s get impatient, someone is sent to find out what the hell happened, and Hitler gets the Ark anyway.
Assuming the second dude doesn’t also get himself zapped. In which case Indy stopped the German army from just slowly picking themselves off.
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So, if the flying wing had taken the Ark straight to Berlin, then the Ten Commandments would likely still have been turned to dust at some point. That seemed to be like a fail-safe the Ark had when being about to fall into enemy hands [ed - or at least Nazi hands]. But without the Jewish ritual, for all we know, the Ark would have simply otherwise remained inert. Perhaps Hitler would have just stored the Ark away in his own storage warehouse and gone on with the war.
But if he ever indulged Belloq to let him perform his Jewish ritual, then Hitler would know that the Ark was genuine, because it wiped out everyone who witnessed that ritual, and he would then be in possession of a terrible weapon that he would likely try to tame with the utmost care.
And, if he ever personally felt comfortable enough to attend the ritual himself, how do you know that Hitler wouldn't have been forewarned about closing his eyes, say by some obscure passage in his texts on the occult, or figured it out on his own?
Why should the enemy be given that chance?
But if he ever indulged Belloq to let him perform his Jewish ritual, then Hitler would know that the Ark was genuine, because it wiped out everyone who witnessed that ritual, and he would then be in possession of a terrible weapon that he would likely try to tame with the utmost care.
And, if he ever personally felt comfortable enough to attend the ritual himself, how do you know that Hitler wouldn't have been forewarned about closing his eyes, say by some obscure passage in his texts on the occult, or figured it out on his own?
Why should the enemy be given that chance?
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You need to break out your dictionary and figure out what words mean before you use them.