Spoilers Titans - DC Universe Series

[Reverend]

Any thoughts on the absence of Cyborg? Like, is it working well without him, does he seem to be missing, or not?

Short answer: I don't think his absence is hurting the story or the character dynamics all that much.
Right now there's sort of a weird surrogate family dynamic developing with Dick & Kori as the big brother & sister/parental stand-ins and Rachel as the little sister with Garth as her friend/prospective boyfriend. There's no real status quo on the show so that's by no means how things will remain, but for now all adding Victor would do is to either give Garth another friend or add a second big brother figure.

This is just my opinion, but even in the comics (at least the original 'New Teen Titans' run) I always got the vibe that Victor felt just a little bit superfluous. Even in the cartoon I think he was mostly there as someone for Beast Boy to bounce off of. Honestly, he's a better fit for Justice League IMO.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I can't see why the Chief would bother with both Robotman and Cyborg, since their medical issues are very similar.

 

[Christopher]

Right now there's sort of a weird surrogate family dynamic developing with Dick & Kori as the big brother & sister/parental stand-ins and Rachel as the little sister with Garth as her friend/prospective boyfriend. There's no real status quo on the show so that's by no means how things will remain, but for now all adding Victor would do is to either give Garth another friend or add a second big brother figure.

You mean Gar (Garfield Logan). Garth is another Teen Titan, Aqualad.

 

[Reverend]

You mean Gar (Garfield Logan). Garth is another Teen Titan, Aqualad.

No, I obviously mean Aqualad who has been a prominent part of this live action adaptation from the very beginning. Don't be dense.

 

[JD]

What ban? Character access is decided on a case-by-case basis.

I had assumed since the character in question is not allowed to appear on the Arrowverse shows, that applied to the DCU shows too, but I guess that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.

 

[Christopher]

I had assumed since the character in question is not allowed to appear on the Arrowverse shows, that applied to the DCU shows too, but I guess that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.

As I understand it, there are no systematic "bans," just a case-by-case decision-making process -- producers go to DC and say "Can we use this character," and the DC folks decide whether to clear each use, depending on what other plans there may be for that character at that time.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If you’re a fan of the ArrowVerse and the f word, I say yes.

I'm finding it to be closer to the Netflix Marvel shows than the DCW.

 

[thribs]

You know, if you don’t know Trigon was involved, you’d think the Monitor was testing him. I actually thought for a second that the post credit tease was going to say, meanwhile, on Earth-1.

It was alright but that ending wasn’t very realistic. Like Batman could be stopped by a explosion. Whoever wrote this episode doesn’t know Batman very well.

So the evil Lex clone is coming for season 2. Personally, I would have introduced some of the other gen 1 Titans first before doing him.

 

[Snick27]

You know, if you don’t know Trigon was involved, you’d think the Monitor was testing him. I actually thought for a second that the post credit tease was going to say, meanwhile, on Earth-1.

It was alright but that ending wasn’t very realistic. Like Batman could be stopped by a explosion. Whoever wrote this episode doesn’t know Batman very well.

So the evil Lex clone is coming for season 2. Personally, I would have introduced some of the other gen 1 Titans first before doing him.

I thought that was going to be Superboy but realized he was way to big for that to be him. Not much of a final since it didn't wrap a thing up and who knows when season 2 is going to air. Could be a long wait.
So is Trigon still a demon or just an alien now? Wonder if we will ever get a proper Batman on this show or this is as close as we will get.
Hmm have they mentioned on the show if there is a Flash?

 

[dahj]

That was a really good episode but a terrible season finale.

Super weird decision to end the season there, I don't generally mind cliffhangers, but this is now basically three episodes in a row that ended with a set-up for an episode that seems to be at least a year away from airing... and if I'm not mistaken this was initially announced as a 12-episode season, so it seems they shot it but decided to hold it over for next season.

I get the idea of trying to keep the audience interest in Season 2 with a cliffhanger, but the Superboy and Krypto tag and the end would have done the trick just fine in that regard, so the "everything up in the air" unresolved ending coupled with the long wait for season 2 just seems like a really bad idea...

Oh, by the way, of note here is that this episode confirms that Batman hasn't killed anyone, so there's that pre-release clickbait title put to rest...

 

[Skipper]

You know, I'm vehemently against the death penalty. I think that it's useless and barbaric. But If I was living in the DC Universe, I would get very challenged in my opinions, and not because I would think Gotham's criminals deserve it. No one "deserves" it. But because they can't keep them locked up. Every time the Joker escapes from the Arkham Asylum there is a carnage. It's ridiculous. It almost seems that the authors try to challenge the reader by saying: "See ??? How can you say now that the death penalty is unjustified?"

 

[thribs]

You could justify that Batman actually came to his senses in this.

 

[Skipper]

You could justify that Batman actually came to his senses in this.

Except for the massacre of innocent people...

 

[thribs]

Except for the massacre of innocent people...

They weren’t innocent. Their incompetence was the reason they kept escaping

 

[Skipper]

They weren’t innocent. Their incompetence was the reason they kept escaping

It's a... different view...

 

[Christopher]

You know, I'm vehemently against the death penalty. I think that it's useless and barbaric. But If I was living in the DC Universe, I would get very challenged in my opinions, and not because I would think Gotham's criminals deserve it. No one "deserves" it. But because they can't keep them locked up. Every time the Joker escapes from the Arkham Asylum there is a carnage. It's ridiculous. It almost seems that the authors try to challenge the reader by saying: "See ??? How can you say now that the death penalty is unjustified?"

The problem there is that it's a contrivance to call the Joker and the other characters "insane" and send them to a hospital instead of a proper prison. By legal definition, the Joker is sane. He understands the nature of reality; he knows he's committing crimes and murders in Gotham City and fighting the lawful authorities rather than, say, slaying demons in medieval times or something. He knows his actions are criminal and immoral; he just doesn't care. And since he's a criminal genius capable of intricate planning and inventiveness, he's certainly mentally fit enough to comprehend a jury trial and participate in his own defense. He's psychopathic, not psychotic. Ditto for most of the other Batman rogues.

So ultimately there's a built-in contrivance that's absurd in real-world terms but necessary to allow the story to work as an ongoing series with recurring villains. So you can't really apply real-world ethical considerations to the situation. These stories are morality plays, and the morality of the hero choosing justice over murder is the thematic point of the play, no matter how often it plays out.

There's also the fact that for much of the history of the comics, the villains weren't that murderous -- they were more thieves than killers. The Joker started out as a serial killer (albeit one who killed people in order to steal from them), and I believe there was an early story where he actually was executed but managed to survive by some fluke or trick, but eventually he was toned down to a flamboyant thief whose only murder attempts were against the Caped Crusaders. He was made a killer again in the '70s, but it wasn't until The Dark Knight Returns in '86 that his killing was escalated to "carnage" level, and while that was intended to be an exceptional extreme -- the future Joker going further than he'd ever gone before and thereby pushing Batman to consider ending him once and for all -- everyone afterward missed that point and tried to copy it in the main continuity, and so the Joker's murder sprees escalated to a ridiculous degree. (The general ultraviolent excess of '90s comics played a role too.)

 

[Noname Given]

That was a really good episode but a terrible season finale.

Super weird decision to end the season there, I don't generally mind cliffhangers, but this is now basically three episodes in a row that ended with a set-up for an episode that seems to be at least a year away from airing... and if I'm not mistaken this was initially announced as a 12-episode season, so it seems they shot it but decided to hold it over for next season.

I get the idea of trying to keep the audience interest in Season 2 with a cliffhanger, but the Superboy and Krypto tag and the end would have done the trick just fine in that regard, so the "everything up in the air" unresolved ending coupled with the long wait for season 2 just seems like a really bad idea...

Oh, by the way, of note here is that this episode confirms that Batman hasn't killed anyone, so there's that pre-release clickbait title put to rest...

Yeah, I tend to agree that it WAS an interesting story (although they made it obvious that it was Trigon 'messing' with Dick's head. But again, it's a really terrible way to end the Season (IMO).

I also am annoyed that for a show called TITANS; it would have been neat if we at least saw them AS the TITANS fighting someone as a team. They had ONE bit of one episode where they showed each othjer their powers, but honestly, it's more the Robin, Hawk & Dove show than Titans. Hell the character of 'Dawn' seems to have gotten more screen time over the 11 episodes than the actor playing Gar/Beastboy.

I'm really surprise they didn't do some sort of Aquaman nod with the film being released this week and give us Aqualad in an aquarium as opposed to Superboy-close and Krypto.

I have liked a lot of what they've done, but at some point we gotta get the Team AS a Team - and no, we haven't really seen that yet, If anything everyone is retired, in the process of retiring from their costumed life - or here for a veruy specific purpose. (Hell, no explaination as to why Starfire stayed and didn't return to her homeworld.

 

[JD]

I just cheated and read about the post-credits scene on IGN, and I was wondering, is this the first live action version of Krypto?

 

[dahj]

I just cheated and read about the post-credits scene on IGN, and I was wondering, is this the first live action version of Krypto?

I think so.
There was a proto-Krypto on Smallville I think, but not the real one...

 

[FreezeC77]

I gotta say I really liked the way Gotham was presented in the head scenario Dick had. I think I would have liked the show 'Gotham' to show that more kind of realistic immoral Gotham and not be more on the campier side at times.