Spoilers Titans - DC Universe Series

[Christopher]

^Well, they aren't using any of the characters at the same time, which I think is the important part.

Anyway, it's surprising how many of Arrow's major villains came from Teen Titans rather than Green Arrow -- Deathstroke, Brother Blood, Damien Darhk, HIVE. I wonder how many will get new versions on Titans.

 

[JD]

I didn't realize those were all Teen Titans villains.
You mentioned Mercy Graves being in the Arrowverse and I have to confess, I completely forgot she was Rona Mitra's character. For some reason I was she was someone else.

 

[Christopher]

Yeah, the only Arrow "Big Bads" that really came from Green Arrow comics were Malcolm Merlyn and Ricardo Diaz (and Emiko if she counts), though Merlyn's earlier incarnation debuted in Justice League and Diaz is loosely based on DC's heroic kung fu master character Richard Dragon (who actually debuted in a prose novel co-written by Dennis O'Neil). Ra's al Ghul is, of course, a Batman villain, and Prometheus is mainly a Justice League foe. (Oh, and Konstantin Kovar originated in Teen Titans too, as I should've guessed from his appearance on Titans.)

As for Supergirl, its only Big Bad native to Supergirl comics was Reign. Astra and Queen Rhea were both original to the show, Non, Eve, and Otis are based on characters from the Superman movies, and Agent Liberty is mainly a Superman character, as of course are Lex Luthor and Mercy Graves. And of course Legends doesn't have a comics equivalent, so its villains are drawn from all over. Only The Flash has drawn all its Big Bads from its hero's corresponding comic.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wow, I didn't realize there had been that many.
I wonder if we'll ever get a Kid Flash on Titans? I had assumed they didn't have one because of The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow, but apparently they aren't going out of their way to avoid characters from the Arrowverse.

I'd like to see Kid Flash and Speedy on Titans.

Only The Flash has drawn all its Big Bads from its hero's corresponding comic.

The Bug-Eyed Bandit originated in the Atom's book. And of course Killer Frost is from Firestorm.

 

[Christopher]

The Bug-Eyed Bandit originated in the Atom's book. And of course Killer Frost is from Firestorm.

Neither of which is a Big Bad (i.e. a season's primary, arc-driving villain).

 

[Nerys Myk]

Neither of which is a Big Bad (i.e. a season's primary, arc-driving villain).

I wouldn't call Otis one either, yet he's on your list.

 

[JD]

Yeah, the only Arrow "Big Bads" that really came from Green Arrow comics were Malcolm Merlyn and Ricardo Diaz (and Emiko if she counts), though Merlyn's earlier incarnation debuted in Justice League and Diaz is loosely based on DC's heroic kung fu master character Richard Dragon (who actually debuted in a prose novel co-written by Dennis O'Neil). Ra's al Ghul is, of course, a Batman villain, and Prometheus is mainly a Justice League foe. (Oh, and Konstantin Kovar originated in Teen Titans too, as I should've guessed from his appearance on Titans.)

As for Supergirl, its only Big Bad native to Supergirl comics was Reign. Astra and Queen Rhea were both original to the show, Non, Eve, and Otis are based on characters from the Superman movies, and Agent Liberty is mainly a Superman character, as of course are Lex Luthor and Mercy Graves. And of course Legends doesn't have a comics equivalent, so its villains are drawn from all over. Only The Flash has drawn all its Big Bads from its hero's corresponding comic.

I've always been a bit surprised how many characters Arrow took from the non-Green Arrow comics.

 

[Christopher]

I wouldn't call Otis one either, yet he's on your list.

I got a little carried away there, but it should still be immediately obvious that my list was by no means inclusive of every villain in the show.

I've always been a bit surprised how many characters Arrow took from the non-Green Arrow comics.

Not many comics heroes have rogues' galleries as rich as Batman's or the Flash's. Even Superman's rogues' gallery is thin once you get past Luthor and Brainiac.

 

[Skipper]

Yeah, the only Arrow "Big Bads" that really came from Green Arrow comics were Malcolm Merlyn and Ricardo Diaz (and Emiko if she counts), though Merlyn's earlier incarnation debuted in Justice League and Diaz is loosely based on DC's heroic kung fu master character Richard Dragon (who actually debuted in a prose novel co-written by Dennis O'Neil). Ra's al Ghul is, of course, a Batman villain, and Prometheus is mainly a Justice League foe. (Oh, and Konstantin Kovar originated in Teen Titans too, as I should've guessed from his appearance on Titans.)

As for Supergirl, its only Big Bad native to Supergirl comics was Reign. Astra and Queen Rhea were both original to the show, Non, Eve, and Otis are based on characters from the Superman movies, and Agent Liberty is mainly a Superman character, as of course are Lex Luthor and Mercy Graves. And of course Legends doesn't have a comics equivalent, so its villains are drawn from all over. Only The Flash has drawn all its Big Bads from its hero's corresponding comic.

Yep. There are so few DC heroes that have a proper "Rogue Gallery". Even Wonder Women (one of the Big Three) has just two-three recurrent foes . And after they used Ares in the first movie, well, you are stuck with Cheetah. And perhaps Doctor Psycho.

 

[JD]

Isn't Circe also a fairly major recurring Wonder Woman villain?

 

[Christopher]

Isn't Circe also a fairly major recurring Wonder Woman villain?

Well, she was a member of Odysseus's rogues' gallery first...

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Not bad but Hawk and Dove don't work for me at all, they feel like they're part of a different series and not one I'm interested in.

 

[Reverend]

I don't know, I think the "heroism as addiction" angle for H&D is an interesting approach and fairly relevant given the themes relating to just how broken most of these people really are.
Also, that they're being portrayed as essentially "survivors" of the super hero scene is a compelling contrast to Dick's pitch to Rose.

My only concern is that Dove will end up getting stuffing in the fridge just to drive Hawk over the edge. I mean, with Dr. Light on the board now...? Yeah. Eww. No thanks!

 

[Mr. Adventure]

hmm, I see what you're saying, maybe not as divorced from the rest as I was thinking. We do seem to have a theme of the heroes trying to find themselves and who they are and want to be.

 

[dahj]

It's happening!

Spoiler: unofficial picture of a very spoilery much expected costume

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's happening!

Spoiler: unofficial picture of a very spoilery much expected costume

Spoiler: about the spoiler

Dick Grayson's famous butt

 

[Enterprise is Great]

DC America's Ass!

 

[dahj]

There are several contenders for the title in that photo.

 

[Xerxes82]

So, what are the chances that they creatives are going to Death in the Family Jason, with Slade playing the Joker role? Slim to none? Because I confess that part of me is thinking about how well that would play with some of the themes. Even if Jason is by far my favorite character in this series.

I'm getting a vibe from these first few episodes. And that vibe is Geoff John's Teen Titans (roster excepted, obviously). Especially after their mention of Jericho in the latest episode. But I feel like that would be a complex story to tell over this handful of episodes, and so is probably just wishful thinking on my part.

Just please don't use Rose as a Terra stand in for Judas Contract. That's all I ask.

 

[JD]

Watched the 5th episode of Season 1 this morning.
It was nice to finally get all of the main characters together as a team. It was especially cool seeing them all fight together.
We finally got an explanation of what the Atomic Family are, and it was not what I had expected. I had expected them to be some kind of robots or artificial people, but it turns out they are enhanced and brainwashed people.
Does Gar ever turn into anything other than a Tiger? I know in the comics and animated series he turns into all sorts of different animals.
Very curious to see Jason Todd in the next episode.