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TITAN too diverse?

Randy1012 said:
Why can't the publishers just put a dramatis personae at the front of the book instead of making things more complicated for their readers?

Many book readers would say that they would find that off-putting. You want browsers to walk out of the shop holding the book, having just paid for it, not putting it back on the shelf as potentially requiring too much work.

The book numbering was dropped for a similar reason. As was the book list at the back. Some people find that information daunting, esp. when it gets bigger and bigger over time.
 
KRAD said:
Why can't the publishers just put a dramatis personae at the front of the book instead of making things more complicated for their readers?
I don't see how not including a dramatis personae constitutes complicating things for readers.

If they have a lot of characters with unfamiliar backgrounds, but who don't appear overly frequntly, then it helps the reader keep track of them. Not having it makes it harder for the reader to follow the interactions so the overall experience is less enjoyable. Authors tend to bond greater with the characters as they are creating them, but the audience is nowhere near as familiar just from reading through the books on one occasion.

Sticking it in the back of the book would avoid the spoiler issue - those that wanted to use the feature could flick back when needed, while those who didn't would read the book in order - as was done with Vanguard and, I'm pretty certain, one of the SCE books.

Therin of Andor said:
Many book readers would say that they would find that off-putting.

Care to cite a survey for that comment? You've had five or so posters here say they would appreciate such a thing. Not so many pure readers saying they wouldn't...

As for being daunting or too long - it's not something that need be kept up. You just want it once to help familiarise yourself quicker with such a diverse crew. Once you know the regular irregulars then any additions will be introduced as normally within the plot. It's just when you have so many new figures, and especially as they are new concepts within the trek world, it can get a bit confusing.

JD said:
Then just bookmark the page, and look page at the individual entries listed whenever you need to.

Oh, and I don't mean to brag, but you guys can thank me for adding all of the new characters from Sword of Damocles to the list. It was actually one of the first things I did as soon as I started the book. :)

The e-book doesn't fit with my priorities when reading - I'm nowhere near a computer when reading for leisure and starting the computer up would detract from the experience. Nothing against e-books, but they're not what I want as a reading experience.

But thanks for updating the wiki. I have flicked through. ;)
 
Huntingdon said:
"Many book readers would say that they would find that off-putting..." Care to cite a survey for that comment? You've had five or so posters here say they would appreciate such a thing. Not so many pure readers saying they wouldn't...

Pocket Books put thought into the dropping of numbered books when it was realised that more people found the then-high numbers a hindrance than the rest of the readership.

General science fiction does not typically carry dramatis personae, chronologies, footnotes or glosseries; the use is actually quite judicious. For reasons, not whims.

As for being daunting or too long - it's not something that need be kept up.

I didn't mean "daunting" for the writers and editors, or the need for continued updates, I meant "daunting" for new readers. There are many obstacles that can cause a browser to put a book back on the shelf, having originally been entranced by the cover art: blurb; price; thickness; font size; high book numbers in a series; Part 2 of a series; complete booklists of "What you missed previously and now can't find because many are out-of-print"; and "How much do I need to know before I can enjoy this?"

I haven't conducted such a survey here, but the people who come here are not casual browsers in shops but the devoted fans - so you can't use their opinions as the yardstick here. But I'm positive that Marco and Margaret have access to such market research.

I have been an editor myself, of a professional journal in education, and as part of an editorial team of a large-circulation amateur ST newsletter. We did do annual research/surveys, and the list of what people found to be off-putting was amazing and, often, contradictory. For example, people would say, "You need to cram more text into the wasted white space to increase value for money", and yet professional research proved that people's comprehension recall, and amount of magazine read in one sitting, both increased expotentially when the layout had generous white space.

All of this gets weighed up.

As a fan, I'd like a "Titan" dramatis personae, too, but I do understand why there hasn't been one. Yet. Casual readers may be very put off by a dramatis personae.

As I also said here recently, I happened to be reading a piece of non ST, non SF, literature recently where the author did not bother to remind us of the physical appearance and unique skills of a large group of humans. Even when it became essential to know who was who.

Many of the times people here complain they'd forgotten what certain "Titan" aliens looked like, in scenes where it wasn't essential to know those characters' physical appearances or unique skills. But when it is important, the authors do usually add those details. In context.
 
Therin of Andor said:
General science fiction does not typically carry dramatis personae, chronologies, footnotes or glosseries; the use is actually quite judicious. For reasons, not whims.
Star Wars books almost always carry the first two of those, however, and it doesn't seem to have hurt them any. I'm not sure I could make it through a Republic Commando novel without a dramatis personae.
 
Therin of Andor said:
Casual readers may be very put off by a dramatis personae.

I don't believe that. Star Wars novels have been carrying dramatis personae lists in front of a number of their books for years now, some of them best-selling series like the X-Wing novels, the New Jedi Order or the Republic Commando series. And surely they do their own market research. Since the lists have continued into the most recent Legacy of the Force series, obviously readers have not found these lists off-putting or LucasBooks would have found out about it and stopped doing so by now.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Steve Mollmann said:
Star Wars books almost always carry the first two of those, however, and it doesn't seem to have hurt them any. I'm not sure I could make it through a Republic Commando novel without a dramatis personae.

Trent Roman said:
I don't believe that. Star Wars novels have been carrying dramatis personae lists in front of a number of their books for years now

An excellent example. For me.

I'm a casual "Star Wars" fan and the only SW fiction I've picked up due to browser curiosity were the "Tales of..." anthologies of short stories in MMPB, and novelizations of the original trilogy. The original SW novels, with their compulsory dramatis personae were... too off-putting. ;)
 
the DP lists first started appearing in the X-Wing series, probably bebcause of the high incidences of new, and often alien, characters. they continued using them in several following books, including Zahn's Hand of Thrawn duology, the entire NJO and in the RC books. the chronology of books began appearing in the NJO, which also debuted the habit of putting in a galactic map, which over the series was altered to show the Yuuzhan Vong invasion corridor as it progressed.

i'd say all three have been VERY helpful...
 
The SW books are too tough for me to read, with or without the DP. It just seems like the same old thing recycled time after time. At least the Titan books provide a totally different plot and story each time.
 
KRAD said:
Why can't the publishers just put a dramatis personae at the front of the book instead of making things more complicated for their readers?
I don't see how not including a dramatis personae constitutes complicating things for readers.
I was commenting on the suggestion of stopping reading, hopping online, and checking Memory Beta every time a new character appears.
 
Huntingdon said:
The e-book doesn't fit with my priorities when reading - I'm nowhere near a computer when reading for leisure and starting the computer up would detract from the experience. Nothing against e-books, but they're not what I want as a reading experience.
Have you seen the current generation of eink based ebook readers such as the Sony PRS-505? I have one and it means I can take my eBooks away from the computer and sit anyplace I choose to read. I do sometimes like sitting in the nook and reading or sometimes in the living room. But I do not have to sit in my computer chair in front of my computer to get a nice satisfying read. The screen is quite nice and easy on the eyes.
 
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