3D Master
Rear Admiral
It's been my experience in these few, short days since Star Trek came to general release, that the people who tend to insist that the movie represents not an alternate timeline but an altered timeline have been those who dislike the movie. I offer this admittedly anecdotal correlation without comment.
As it was, I was surprised in regards to the extent which Star Trek went to ensure that it was absolutely clear that the events of the rest of the canon remains, in its entirety, intact. It seems to me that there's very little room for actual debate on that point, given the film's exposition on the matter.
Nero in the true universe went back in time and changes things... In exactly the way that the borg went back and assimilated earth .. except no one stopped Nero from doing it - Therefore ALTERED!!!!!
I suppose if you really insist on taking that as being true, then that's your choice.
However, it seems like making that choice requires so many questionable definitional statements about space-time - there's only one timeline, really? Only one "universe", "dimension," or whatever else you wish to call it? We know this for an incontrovertible fact?
Nope, not at all. How many realities/universe there are, have NOTHING to do with whether or not you can change the timeline of the reality you are in by going back through time. Not even a little bit.
- that it really is a choice to refuse the plainly-stated intent of the storywriters' about what their universe is. Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman clearly intend that this is an alternate universe.
What writers say it is, matters nothing. It just means the writers are a bunch of idiots who have no understanding of how the Star Trek universe works.
I mean, if all of Trek has to go away because of this film, does that mean we have to erase Back to the Future II, with its talk of "alternative 1985," because Bob Zemeckis got the Laws of Space-Time Mechanics wrong? Trek's Mirror Universe is all a farce, too?
1. Back to the Future is not Star Trek. You might wanna try and keep your mind in reality.
2. The alternate 1985 of Back to the Future is a changed 1985. If Mary and co. had simply gone into another reality, nothing they would do afterward would get them back to their own reality except tunneling to that reality. The whole point of the movie is to CORRECT CHANGES in the timeline, not switch back to your own.
3. Whether or not there is a Mirror Universe and other realities out there, has no impact on how time travel works, AT ALL, as I already said above.
I think you're just looking for a reason to be pissed, buddy. That's fine, but it seems like there are better things to be pissed about in Star Trek than this...or the previous creative efforts of the producer/director.
Star Trek is a pile of shit, plain and simple. It does not even close to touching the heart and soul of Star Trek (as someone said above); it won't even be able to touch it with a million kilometer pole from where they went. Star Trek is nothing but a meaningless SFX fest, with not a even a little bit of everything that made Star Trek Star Trek. In other words; no theme, no plot, no heart, no touching upon our reality, it reduced normal human beings who got where they were by hard work, to teen little twits who will get where they are no matter what they do because it is "destiny". It took the secular humanism that is at the heart of Star Trek, shred it into pieces, tossed it out the window and then peed over it. It's Trek Wars; and I have no interest in Trek Wars; I'm interested in Star Trek. And this movie is NOT Star Trek.