Fans don't get to decided canon.
If you want to control canon, go buy the franchise from Viacom.
Until then, what you think is or isn't canon doesn't matter to anyone but yourself.
Timeline proof.
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If you want to control canon, go buy the franchise from Viacom.
Until then, what you think is or isn't canon doesn't matter to anyone but yourself.
To be fair, using the term ‘alternate reality’ is open to the varied interpretations of what the ‘prime reality/timeline’ actually is. The JJ-Abrams ‘Nimoy’ Spock could still be an alternate universe Spock separate from the prime timeline, he could even be Spock from the DISCO verse.
It's a fan apologetic, a theory would have a body of evidence.
Discovery is in the same universe as the rest of the series.
And Nimoy Spock is credited as 'Spock Prime' in ST09, he's from the Prime Universe.
You're the one who called it a fan theory first. I was just quoting you.
Except for when paramount takes an apologetic from fans to try to rescue their car wreck.
There is evidence. You just refuse to acknowledge it because it doesn't fit your world view.
Nope, it's still canon. Nothing you say will ever change that.
Good bye.
I prefer to call it relying on name recognition of a famous actor playing a legendary character in their reboot film in an attempt to win over older generations of fans to their new reboot.To be fair, using the term ‘alternate reality’ is open to the varied interpretations of what the ‘prime reality/timeline’ actually is. The JJ-Abrams ‘Nimoy’ Spock could still be an alternate universe Spock separate from the prime timeline, he could even be Spock from the DISCO verse.
They're not going to undo the destruction of Romulus. Kurtzman worked on that movie.hey also have a good way of undoing the destruction of Romulus.
Well, some people who post here hold that to be true anyway.
But, outside the bubble that is TrekBBS, asking 'Is X canon?' is understood to be shorthand for 'Is X officially recognized as being a part of the history of the fictional world?'
The canon v continuity thing is useful in derailing any discussions though...
Maybe someday Trek fans will own the rights to Star Trek and can vote on it.
Then we'll see how well this whole canon thing shapes up.
Speaking as someone who's a creative, making things by committee is the biggest mistake you can do. Creativity shouldn't be a democracy, it should be a benevolent dictatorship.
As far as PIC, I think Season 1 took the lemons that NEM and the 2009 Film left it, and turned them into lemonade. You don't run from problems or stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. Someone truly masterful will grab the bull by the horns and tackle it head on.
That's why I have HUGE respect for what Michael Chabon did with PIC Season 1. He didn't do what was easy to do, he did what was hard to do.
So did Terry Matalas after him, but that's getting into spoilers.
I'm not a fan of the Kelvin Films, but Leonard Nimoy gave them his blessing. That's good enough for me. I am a fan of PIC, and Patrick Stewart gave his blessing there as well. Also good enough for me. I'll take what they say over what someone else says.
As far as PIC, I think Season 1 took the lemons that NEM and the 2009 Film left it, and turned them into lemonade. You don't run from problems or stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. Someone truly masterful will grab the bull by the horns and tackle it head on.
That's why I have HUGE respect for what Michael Chabon did with PIC Season 1. He didn't do what was easy to do, he did what was hard to do.
So did Terry Matalas after him, but that's getting into spoilers.
I'm not a fan of the Kelvin Films, but Leonard Nimoy gave them his blessing. That's good enough for me. I am a fan of PIC, and Patrick Stewart gave his blessing there as well. Also good enough for me. I'll take what they say over what someone else says.
I think if someone's honestly not into PIC, fair enough. We all have different tastes. But if someone's like, "Oh no! They referenced Romulus exploding! I can't watch this!", then come on already. That's just looking for a reason.
They worked it into the backstory of PIC in a meaningful character-driven way. They did more and better with it than the 2009 Film ever did. It doesn't matter where an idea came from. What matters is if they did something good with it.
They worked it into the backstory of PIC in a meaningful character-driven way. They did more and better with it than the 2009 Film ever did. It doesn't matter where an idea came from. What matters is if they did something good with it.
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Honestly, I always felt that the destruction of Romulus was incidental to the story PIC S1 was telling. When PIC was initially announced, the buzz about the show implied that Picard's efforts with the evacuation, the aftermath of the supernova and Picard's guilt over his failure was going to be the focus of the show. That fascinated me. Instead the focus of the show was an asinine plot about Romulan zealots who hate AI, doom their own planet just to doom some second-rate Data clones from being slave labor, are chasing a girl who is Data's daughter but really isn't, an incestuous Romulan brother and sister, a planet full of androids with a conveniently placed nuSoong, a Starfleet that's become a bunch of assholes all thanks to one over-the-top infiltrator, and a robotic Cthulhu from the 8th dimension that pops up for about 5 minutes before it pops back out again. So I don't quite share your interpretation in that regard.
It's probably best for me to go into detail, in case I'm asked why I think it's good. It'll probably come up.
Beyond those, the tensions with the Romulans in S1 are unrelated to the destruction of Romulus and I agree that everything else involving them could've happened without Romulus having to have been destroyed. The Zhat'Vash for one and the Romulans sabotaging Federation AI for another.
So those were along the lines of what I was thinking. In contrast to the 2009 Film where we see a lot more of the effects the destruction of Vulcan had in the Kelvin Timeline than Romulus in the Prime Timeline, and Nero is pretty much a two-dimensional villain, goes way overboard in destroying Vulcan, and who we're made to feel no sympathy for as he gets blown up real good at the end. Oh, Narissa, and Narek in Picard operate in broad daylight and don't call attention to themselves. As opposed to Nero, who's basically a cartoon character.
I was thinking in terms of:
- The interview where the newswoman interviews Picard and tries to box him into a narrative corner, ala cable news trying to box in someone of an opposite political party or ideology.
- Picard wanting to save Romulan lives and members of the Federation being unwilling to render aid, Starfleet caving due to higher-ups not wanting to use member words, and Picard threatening to resign, only to be shocked when he found out they accepted his resignation rather than listening to what he wanted to do.
- When Picard enters that outdoor area on Rashdi, where he's clearly not welcome. Everyone is hostile towards him for resigning instead of doing more to help them, and upset that the Federation didn't render proper aid. It's extremely tense, and then the one former Senator wants to kill Picard literally, in a fight where Picard had no chance of winning, until Elnor unexpectedly rescued him. Unexpectedly to Picard, not to us.
- I think that's probably it in regard to Picard himself. But, on a meta level, I see the Romulan Star Empire falling apart as the equivalent of the Soviet Union falling apart and breaking up. The destruction of Romulus is on a much larger scale than Chernobyl, obviously, but the idea is the same. The Romulan Free State is like Russia today, under Putin. A smaller version of what it used to be, and Oh, like Putin, wants to restore the Union/Empire to its former glory in all but name.
Beyond those, the tensions with the Romulans in S1 are unrelated to the destruction of Romulus and I agree that everything else involving them could've happened without Romulus having to have been destroyed. The Zhat'Vash for one and the Romulans sabotaging Federation AI for another.
So those were along the lines of what I was thinking. In contrast to the 2009 Film where we see a lot more of the effects the destruction of Vulcan had in the Kelvin Timeline than Romulus in the Prime Timeline, and Nero is pretty much a two-dimensional villain, goes way overboard in destroying Vulcan, and who we're made to feel no sympathy for as he gets blown up real good at the end. Oh, Narissa, and Narek in Picard operate in broad daylight and don't call attention to themselves. As opposed to Nero, who's basically a cartoon character.
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Nice to know things haven’t changed in a couple of decades.
Do you have an equivalent Star Trek clip to demonstrate the same meme in a context that those who have never seen Star Wars may understand?
I think that it would be great if the fans ran the show, so I Bi…Googled for a Star Trek ‘Yes’ clip instead of a Star Wars ‘No’ clip.
I found this clip of every single time that Tom Paris has said “Yes ma’am”.
Do we want the fans to run this show?
Yes Ma’am!
Perhaps I would have found a better clip if I would have searched on Bing instead of Google, but it still gets the point across I think.
Is No not universally understood?
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