Timeline proof.

[Stewey]

…and Terry also gave us zombie Vulcan’s!

I cannot remember what your thoughts about the episode Impulse were back at the time, @Stewey . Perhaps you enjoyed that episode though. I did.

Thankfully my memory has mostly faded from enterprise.

Thankfully, I still remember the remarkable episode "the interregnum" back in the day.

 

[Stewey]

It’s all canon to me! Multiverse canon, though of course we will always have the ‘prime’ timeline…

I think that Stewey should watch Picard season 3 and review each episode. I do not think that they would accept anything written by Terry Matalas as canon though, considering his involvement with…. Enterprise.

Don't think I have the strength to do that, or the willingness to pay for yet another streaming service.

Just because a writer was on Enterprise does not necessarily prevent them doing good work in the future. Perhaps this writer might have learned how NOT to do things from their time on that show.

Same as Bakula, despite his poor performance as Archer, I still adore his work on Quantum Leap and I still rate him as a good actor, I just hink he was mis-cast for the role.

 

[1001001]

Thankfully, I still remember the remarkable episode "the interregnum" back in the day.

 

[herofhyrule]

I was put off as soon as I found out that there are story elements taken from the jj-verse movies.

Spoiler

Specifically, Romulus destroyed and the romulan refugee thing.

It is a red line for me for anything from the JJ-verse or enterprise to be woven into a show sporting the franchise label.

I did see a few screenshots of things happening in picard season 3 a while ago, but meh.

Why? It's not like they're just going to ignore them because you don't like them.

 

[Stewey]

Why? It's not like they're just going to ignore them because you don't like them.

The claim of Picard being in the "prime timeline" (whatever that means) is something that makes no sense to me if you are going to include content from a rebooted set of movies. Ignoring elements from the bargain binned consigned reboot movies would in my view strengthen the claim.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There is only 1 timeline; TOS-VOY + movies 1-Nemesis. Everything else is non-canonic slop that started from enterprise and continues to this day, and the star wars inspired reboot films.

That's not how canon works, but thanks for playing.

 

[Lord Garth]

Stewey denying things are canon has been a real blast from the past, and I for one appreciate that.

Now it's a blast from the past.

 

[Stewey]

That's not how canon works, but thanks for playing.

Canon works today by adopting copium fuelled apologetics for obvious mistakes in continuity as taglines, "the kelvin timeline" being an obvious example. Might as well just put, "totally not a reboot, wink"

 

[Nerys Myk]

Canon works today by adopting copium fuelled apologetics for obvious mistakes in continuity as taglines, "the kelvin timeline" being an obvious example. Might as well just put, "totally not a reboot, wink"

Another wrong answer. But here's the home game and a box of Rice-A-Roni for your troubles.

 

[Dukhat]

Thankfully my memory has mostly faded from enterprise.

Thankfully, I still remember the remarkable episode "the interregnum" back in the day.

Me too, although the only thing I remember clearly was the Romulan in full battle armor so you couldn’t tell what he looked like.

 

[Stewey]

Another wrong answer. But here's the home game and a box of Rice-A-Roni for your troubles.

The tag was splashed on the vlu ray box art of the movies, the existence of which in my view proves the attempt to somehow tie them into the the previous iterations of trek.

 

[Stewey]

Me too, although the only thing I remember clearly was the Romulan in full battle armor so you couldn’t tell what he looked like.

Archer liking water polo and an episode whining in sickbay about his dog is a memory that refuses to fade.

 

[Tuskin38]

Everything else is non-canonic slop

Nope.

if you are going to include content from a rebooted set of movies.

Because Romulus was destroyed in the Prime Timeline, not the Kelvin Timeline.
If they ignored that they'd be breaking canon.

 

[Timofnine]

The claim of Picard being in the "prime timeline" (whatever that means) is something that makes no sense to me if you are going to include content from a rebooted set of movies. Ignoring elements from the bargain binned consigned reboot movies would in my view strengthen the claim.

To be fair, Picard season 3 kind of sweeps over the destruction of Romulus, though the plot point is integral to seasons 1 and 2. You could *almost* treat Picard season 3 as a reboot back in to the prime timeline separate from the first two seasons. Star Trek: Prodigy has or at least had the opportunity to undo JJ Abrams doings, being set in 2384, a few years before the destruction of the Romulan sun/Hobus.

Spoiler: Prodigy

I actually thought that Dal was going to inadvertently cause the slow destruction of the Romulan sun by accidentally flying the Protostar and the Living Construct in to it, luckily he flew the ship in to empty space instead before destroying the ship and the Vau N’Akat weapon.

Perhaps season 2 of Prodigy can reboot the JJ-verse and set the prime timeline right again? Though this would involve an element of Star Trek from Enterprise - the Temporal Cold War. Unfortunately, Prodigy has been cancelled though.

TBH, the topic of the destruction of Romulus and its implications to the prime timeline is a *very* touchy subject for me, I lost my job here as a mod whilst discussing the subject.

 

[Stewey]

Because Romulus was destroyed in the Prime Timeline, not the Kelvin Timeline.
If they ignored that they'd be breaking canon.

This is all depicted in a reboot film, a reboot film cannot be considered canon because its a reboot. JJ and paramount were trying to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[Tuskin38]

This is all depicted in a reboot film, a reboot film cannot be considered canon because its a reboot.

The 'reboot' part of that Film was just the alternate universe that Nero and Spock crossed over into. It exists along side the Prime Universe, just like how the Mirror Universe does.

Nimoy Spock in that Film is the same Spock from TOS. They even use a picture from Star Trek 5 showing the TOS crew in the third Kelvin movie.

Star Trek: Prodigy has or at least had the opportunity to undo JJ Abrams doings, being set in 2384, a few years before the destruction of the Romulan sun/Hobus.

They're not going to do that.

a reboot film cannot be considered canon

That's not how canon works. You're thinking of continuity.
Canon is body of work, continuity is how it all fits together.

Every Star Trek TV show and movie made by CBS and/or Paramount is canon.

 

[Stewey]

The 'reboot' part of that Film was just the alternate universe that Nero and Spock crosse dover into. It exists along side the Prime Universe, just like how the Mirror Universe does.

Nimoy Spock in that Film is the same Spock from TOS. They even use a picture from Star Trek 6 showing the TOS crew in the third Kelvin movie.


They're not going to do that.

The whole film is a reboot from the first frame of it to the credits. The idea of it being an alternative timeline was a fan theory that paramount used to claim it to be a altered timeline. Nimoy was there in an attempt to authenticate the failed endeavour.

As for using a photo from trek 6, that is pathetic from the abrams production, and an even worse apologetic.

 

[Tuskin38]

The idea of it being an alternative timeline was a fan theory

They called it an alternate reality in the damn movie.
Nimoy Spock is credited as 'Spock Prime' in the end credits.

It's not a fan theory lmao.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Mirror Universe is a parallel universe, not an alternate timeline. I don't know why people keep conflating the two.

The term "alternate reality" is used in "In a Mirror, Darkly" to describe the Prime Universe (from the POV of the Mirror people) and in ST2009 to describe the Kelvin Universe.

 

[Stewey]

Every Star Trek TV show and movie made by CBS and/or Paramount is canon.

That's an argument from authority, a franchise label does not make it any more trek, than if you slap a mini badge on a BMW makes it an actual mini.