Timeline proof.
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Easier to herd cats.
There's various bits and bobs. Yesterday's Enterprise is another obvious example and of course, The Year of Hell.
Being a TOS fan from when it first got aired in the UK in the mid 70's, I certainly understand the whole timeline/canon stuff.
Back then (and into the preTNG 80's) we had TOS, TAS and the first few TOS movies. Which along with the original Spaceflight Chronology, FASA Star Trek roleplaying game and the superlative "The Final Reflection" by John M Ford made for a pretty consistent interlocking setting. Those felt like halcyon days.
TNG reinvented (contradicted) most of that, and we are where we are today.
I am proud to say "my" Trek setting is still back there but I still recognise that is an out of date, grumpy-old-man, NIMBY, grognard point of view, no longer worth arguing over.
But one that I think many still share.
Back then (and into the preTNG 80's) we had TOS, TAS and the first few TOS movies. Which along with the original Spaceflight Chronology, FASA Star Trek roleplaying game and the superlative "The Final Reflection" by John M Ford made for a pretty consistent interlocking setting. Those felt like halcyon days.
TNG reinvented (contradicted) most of that, and we are where we are today.
I am proud to say "my" Trek setting is still back there but I still recognise that is an out of date, grumpy-old-man, NIMBY, grognard point of view, no longer worth arguing over.
But one that I think many still share.
There's nothing wrong with preferring the older shows. My issue is with people who attack others for liking new Trek, or claim that it can't be canon because they updated the aesthetics or whatever.
Fellow Temporal Cat here =D
I still think the 3x Time-Lines theory is the most plausible and makes the most sense.
Especially when you look at TNG episode Parallels.
So many Branching Time-Lines can exist, why can't we just have a 3rd Time-Line?
Having more Time-Lines doesn't invalidate the other Time-Lines like the original one.
It's like Marvel / DC Multi-Verse with Parrallel Worlds.
ST can have it's own Parallel Time-Lines and not conflict with each other due to branches in the timeline.
If the Kelvin AU can exist along with Prime Universe.
Why can't the Prime Universe be split into the 'Old-Prime' & 'Neo-Prime' Universes.
I can understand why ENT, the first two seasons of DIS, and SNW have been put into a separate timeline (even if I don't necessarily agree) but what about the third and fourth seasons of DIS? They show a recording of Spock's speech from "Unification II". What are the chances that he says the exact same thing in two different universes that are otherwise pretty different? Also, I don't see why PIC, LD, and PRO need to be put in a separate timeline.
3rd / 4th season of DISCO are part of the Neo-Prime timeline due to the numerous effects via Time-Travel thanks to First Contact.
Could the Post-Burn Future be part of it's own seperate timeline, sure, but we would need to see events past the 32nd century and to see if other shows will cover events that eventually veer past that time frame and make major changes. For now, it's part of the "Neo-Prime" timeline IMO.
Spock might still be the same "Spock" by the time of TNG Unification 2. The circumstances behind him and that speech should be roughly the same. Ergo the same speech.
As for PIC / LDS / PRO, both have felt the effects of DISCO & First Contact.
Both shows have shown elements from DISCO, so there are slight changes, but the overall gist is nearly the same as the Prime Timeline.
Remember, PIC took a taxi ride in a DISCO-era shuttle to see Raffi out in the Desert.
Lower Decks has shown stuff from Kelvin AU and DISCO.
Prodigy shown the Crossfield Class in Holographic Displays.
It's not a big deal at the end of the day, most things are going to happen the way they should happen.
Just with minor changes.
Fairly certain that was only about production budget there.
It has? Okay, there have been a few thing from Disco on Lower Decks, such as the "Ritos" t-shirts and Section 31's black badges, but I am aware of nothing from the Kelvin timeline showing up on Lower Decks.
That still has HUGE implications on the ST: Universe to borrow from a show that shouldn't have that era of Shuttle, even as a civilian 2nd hand.
It should've been some older TNG era shuttles or even TOS era, but we got DISCO era shuttles.
So that has huge implications on the lore in universe.
It doesn't change the content of the story, but the affects of DSC does reverberate through the "Neo-Prime" Timeline.
That's what you're building an alternate timeline argument around? That's nothing, for all we know that particular disruptor could exist in both Prime and Kelvin timelines.
Or it could be some shenanigans due to Time Travel.
To my knowledge, there isn't a private sector for Klingon Weaponry, at this point in time, their entire military industrial base seems centralized & nationalized.
Or you could use Occam's Razor. The gun is the same type in both universes. Hardly ironclad proof of an alternate timeline.
We know absolutely nothing about early twenty-third century Klingon weapons. There's nothing saying that particular disruptor couldn't have existed prior to the 2233 timeline split and thus would exist naturally in both timelines.
And regardless, it was a damn easter egg visible for less than half a minute. To use it as the basis of an alternate timeline theory is putting hella more thought into it than the animators did, or anyone was expected to.
And regardless, it was a damn easter egg visible for less than half a minute. To use it as the basis of an alternate timeline theory is putting hella more thought into it than the animators did, or anyone was expected to.
It's what we Trekkies do when it comes to changes in Visual Canon.
Not all Trekkies.
Fair enough.
But it doesn't hurt the series to change the timeline a little bit.
We can still be on the "Neo-Prime" Timeline, have a few minor changes here/there.
And it won't be the end of the world.
Then surely it's not the end of the world to keep them on the same timeline and just have TV series from the 2020s be slightly different from a TV series from the 1960s?
But there are plenty of other changes beyond just the visual cannon changes, enough to justify a 2nd Prime-Timeline.
Go watch the YT video on why it's necessary. It makes sense given all the changes.
If it was just one thing, I wouldn't care, but there are too many changes to not justify a 2nd Prime-Timeline.
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