Timeless

[SonicRanger]

Braxton didn't undo Adm. Janeway's bringing Voyager home early.

How can we be sure? Apart from Nemesis - which completely ignores Voyager (and pretty much everything else) - that was the last scene we ever saw from the 24th century! For all we know, Braxton could have changed everything back and the Voyager crew is still out there in the DQ!

Um, Admiral Janeway?

 

[Bill Morris]

Interesting thread. Also, the Delta Flyer didn't have an aft section before Timeless, nor did the set for it exist until it was needed for that episode.

 

[Oso Blanco]

Braxton didn't undo Adm. Janeway's bringing Voyager home early.

How can we be sure? Apart from Nemesis - which completely ignores Voyager (and pretty much everything else) - that was the last scene we ever saw from the 24th century! For all we know, Braxton could have changed everything back and the Voyager crew is still out there in the DQ!

Um, Admiral Janeway?

What about her? Maybe the timeline she came from is how it was meant to be, until she decided to go back in time. And there is no way of knowing that Braxton didn't hit the big reset button after Voyager got home at the end of Endgame.

Edit: Forget what I just said! Now I know what you meant, she in Nemesis too! I had almost forgotten about that.

 

[propita]

How can we be sure? Apart from Nemesis - which completely ignores Voyager (and pretty much everything else) - that was the last scene we ever saw from the 24th century! For all we know, Braxton could have changed everything back and the Voyager crew is still out there in the DQ!

Um, Admiral Janeway?

What about her? Maybe the timeline she came from is how it was meant to be, until she decided to go back in time. And there is no way of knowing that Braxton didn't hit the big reset button after Voyager got home at the end of Endgame.

Edit: Forget what I just said! Now I know what you meant, she in Nemesis too! I had almost forgotten about that.

I gotta say, it's nice to see discussion, disagreement, realization, and acknowledgement. And all politely.

That's not always seen in some threads.

Nice.

 

[freak]

I loved this episode as well. I remember when I first saw Voyager crash landing on the icy planet I was in awe..I was also shaking my head at the damage that was done to the ship. It was VERY realistic!
highlights I loved: Janeway and Chakotay have a moment before all hell breaks loose in her quarters having dinner. There is little lighting except for the candles..it seems kinda like a romantic atmosphere which I adored. Janeway: "Are you with me, Chakotay?" Chakotay: "Always"...sigh! How sweet!
Seven getting drunk on champaign in the beginning.. Laughed my butt off!
The future Chakotay and Kim..I thought it was interesting how they played two parts in the show in this episode. I'm sure it was very challenging to do!
Levar Burton making a guest appearance. ON A GALAXY CLASS STARSHIP!!!! That man is BRILLIANT!
And then finally, the iced up ship after years of crash landing..again looking very realistic!

 

[Zod]

I remember they made a big deal over timeless before it came out. It was the 100th episode of the series was it not?

I loved it, was one of my favorite episodes of the series. The ship crashing was a well done shot and it was certainly Wang's best episode of the show imo.

 

[nx1701g]

^ And it's unfortunate that Spike and the syndicated edits cut out those crash scenes (well at least half of them).

 

[HIj'Qa]

I wish they hadn't put in the Tessa character. She doesn't do much for the story. Chakotay cares for her enough to eliminate her and her entire timeline. And she loves him enough to help him

There could have been some nice frozen J/C moments instead, but TPTB were so set on that NEVER HAPPENING.

 

[kimc]

There could have been some nice frozen J/C moments instead, but TPTB were so set on that NEVER HAPPENING.

Despite that they certainly liked to tease the viewers...

 

[shatastrophic]

^ And it's unfortunate that Spike and the syndicated edits cut out those crash scenes (well at least half of them).

When it came on Spike the other day i DVR'd it. The crash scene was there. Also how did the Delta Flyer achieve slip stream velocity? Did they build a slip stream drive on her as well?
Harry said the crystals they were using on Voyager were already starting to decay, so they probably didn't have enough for a second drive. Also, in the time between the failed phase variance tests and the jump do we see them working on the Delta Flyer installing a SS drive? Maybe these scenes were some of the things they edited out on Spike.

 

[Sisko4Life]

As far as I understand, the Quantum Slipstream is almost identical to the Transwarp Drive used by the Borg. All the "drive" does is open up the conduit at its beginning and exit points and form a subspace tunnel that Geordi LaForge described as "being caught in a high speed stream and being washed ashore by the current." As long as the Delta Flyer is close enough to Voyager, Voyager opens the conduit in front of both vessels and they "slip" through. That explains why the Delta Flyer could not exit the conduit after Voyager was thrown out. Its destination was set, and exiting the slipstream would rip the Flyer apart.

And no, there was no evidence or scene that shows the Delta Flyer had a drive of its own.

 

[shatastrophic]

^Well then, there you have it! Cool.

 

[Supernuke]

Timeless was just on yesterday. I couldn't believe it--I teared up a tiny bit right at the end.

I saw that! I got goosebumps when Harry screams "yes!" right before the shuttle blows up and everything is restored. That's probably my favorite Harry moment.

 

[propita]

Timeless was just on yesterday. I couldn't believe it--I teared up a tiny bit right at the end.

I saw that! I got goosebumps when Harry screams "yes!" right before the shuttle blows up and everything is restored. That's probably my favorite Harry moment.

You saw me tear up?

What are you doing in my house?

 

[nx1701g]

^ And it's unfortunate that Spike and the syndicated edits cut out those crash scenes (well at least half of them).

When it came on Spike the other day i DVR'd it. The crash scene was there. Also how did the Delta Flyer achieve slip stream velocity? Did they build a slip stream drive on her as well?
Harry said the crystals they were using on Voyager were already starting to decay, so they probably didn't have enough for a second drive. Also, in the time between the failed phase variance tests and the jump do we see them working on the Delta Flyer installing a SS drive? Maybe these scenes were some of the things they edited out on Spike.

Like I said at least half of them. On the DVD version and original release the crash scene is longer.

The explanation was also cut. Voyager opened the conduit that both it and the Flyer used.

 

[Supernuke]

Timeless was just on yesterday. I couldn't believe it--I teared up a tiny bit right at the end.

I saw that! I got goosebumps when Harry screams "yes!" right before the shuttle blows up and everything is restored. That's probably my favorite Harry moment.

You saw me tear up?

What are you doing in my house?

No! I saw the episode on the other day!

 

[nx1701g]

^ I've often wondered what made Admiral Janeway believe that even if she succeeded Braxton and Co. wouldn't undo everything anyway.

I know in the novels (not canon though) that Starfleet turned over the future tech to the Department of Temporal Investigations on the agreement that it wouldn't be released until the era it was meant to come from.

Well that's as good an explanation as another I suppose. Thanks!

Apparently in the new novel Greater than the Sum the Voyager Technologies are revisited.

 

[Madzilla]

I wish they hadn't put in the Tessa character. She doesn't do much for the story. Chakotay cares for her enough to eliminate her and her entire timeline. And she loves him enough to help him

There could have been some nice frozen J/C moments instead, but TPTB were so set on that NEVER HAPPENING.

Well they sort of did... when Chakotay hears the recording of Janeway's final moments he looks over to her body, and then when he speaks again his voce is all rough and cracked from emotion ... and Tessa tells him, after this, that she knows his heart has always been 'here', as in, on the ship... I thought that was very sweet, J/C wise.

And of course there was a scene cut - not sure exactly what was to happen but there was a picture floating around from it --> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/madzilla/Star Trek/Timelesspic.jpg

And the dinner scene was adorable, as was her asking him in Engineering: "Cancel it. That's an order." The twinkle in his eye!

Great episode, glad it's going to be turning up on the Alternate Realities boxset later this year.

 

[Vorik]

this is one of my favorite episodes
that and relativity
Truly the best performance done by garret wang
I just watched season 1 today.....yes the whole thing..... and it seems like for the first 5 episodes harry is in trouble and getting messed up. HAHA
but seriously one of the best episodes of the series
im to tired right now maybe i'll have more to say about it after i sleep
D A N N Y

 

[Gadrin]

Note that Braxton didn't undo Adm. Janeway's bringing Voyager home early. The whole thing--returning after 23 years, her going back, then returning after only 7 years--was all on the timeline leading to the establishment of TimeFleet (or whatever they were called).

I suppose that, once there's a timeline where time-travel and monitoring is possible, those inhabitants will do their best to prevent anyone from tampering with it. They don't want to go *poof*.

I think Relativity's sensors must have been down for that episode

"Damn, our Time Scanning Sensors went down Commander Braxton!"

"Okay, get them back up and send two engineers back in time to make sure it doesn't happen...and warn the Borg this time that Janeway's coming."

"We can't sir. The Borg have chronometric shielding, remember they went back in time to try to kill Cochrane. Even Q says don't provoke the Borg."

"Hmmm, then kill Cochrane! That'll take care of Janeway, once and for all!"


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