First Voyager Season I ever saw was five, and Timeless was no doubt my favorite episode and will be airing on Spike this week. Easily the top 5 best of Voyager in my opinion. I've always been wondering - why the hell didn't it make the Timetravel Fan Collection? Was it not good enough? Seriously, theres Quantum Slipstream drive, Voyager crashing on an ice planet, the Delta Flyer gets a well-deserved spotlight, 2 of the crew make it home, hell theres even freaking LeVar Burton on a Galaxy Class ship! What more could you ask for in an episode?
Timeless
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I wonder what Captain Braxton had to do to 'clean up the mess' after this episode. 
(seriously, he did. He mentions it in "Relativity" as 'the temporal inversion in the Takara sector'.)
(seriously, he did. He mentions it in "Relativity" as 'the temporal inversion in the Takara sector'.)
Mmm. He seemed to blame her for that, but she had nothing to do with it. It was Harry Kim?I wonder what Captain Braxton had to do to 'clean up the mess' after this episode.
(seriously, he did. He mentions it in "Relativity" as 'the temporal inversion in the Takara sector'.)
There really isn't any time travel in it. Some of the show just takes place in an alternate future.
I can argue the same for Year of Hell. Voyager stayed constant, it was just everything around it was changing time. No timetravel at all, just a large reset button at the end like Timeless.
I just wonder why some of Voyager's finest nearly always turned out to be reset button episodes tho?
Yeah, it's pretty sad when the crew doesn't remember some of their finer moments...
I just wonder why some of Voyager's finest nearly always turned out to be reset button episodes tho?
Yeah, it's pretty sad when the crew doesn't remember some of their finer moments...
They should remember this one, as Harry actually reads the message from his future self.
Then again, this may be part of the mess that Braxton's people had to remove...
Note that Braxton didn't undo Adm. Janeway's bringing Voyager home early. The whole thing--returning after 23 years, her going back, then returning after only 7 years--was all on the timeline leading to the establishment of TimeFleet (or whatever they were called).
I suppose that, once there's a timeline where time-travel and monitoring is possible, those inhabitants will do their best to prevent anyone from tampering with it. They don't want to go *poof*.
So Endgame was supposed to happen just as it did, as was Timeless and any other time-travel, or Braxton'd show up to "fix" things.
That we know of.
In any case, he obviously didn't undo "Timeless" completely. Probably he just erased the crew's knowledge of it. As for "Endgame": I doubt his people could have allowed the future technology to remain in the hands of present day Starfleet, so they may have removed that as well (but not retroactively of course).
Somehow, she knew she was right?
Timeless was just on yesterday. I couldn't believe it--I teared up a tiny bit right at the end.
You know, some mention of this in Endgame would've been nice. Since Harry was "all for the journey" in Endgame, maybe some comment that "I've changed the timeline enough" or something. After all, they only know that Harry (and the Doc) did the work--no idea about Chak (or Tessa) being there.
I know in the novels (not canon though) that Starfleet turned over the future tech to the Department of Temporal Investigations on the agreement that it wouldn't be released until the era it was meant to come from.
You know, people point to Equinox or Year of Hell to what Voyager as a whole could have been. I point to Timeless to what Harry Kim should have become. This was Garrett Wang's best episode of the series and it was a shame we only saw how really good Wang could be as an actor once.
How can we be sure? Apart from Nemesis - which completely ignores Voyager (and pretty much everything else) - that was the last scene we ever saw from the 24th century! For all we know, Braxton could have changed everything back and the Voyager crew is still out there in the DQ!
I just wonder why some of Voyager's finest nearly always turned out to be reset button episodes tho?
Yeah, it's pretty sad when the crew doesn't remember some of their finer moments...
They should remember this one, as Harry actually reads the message from his future self.
Then again, this may be part of the mess that Braxton's people had to remove...
Technically, the crew wouldn't have had any cause to remember what happened, as what ocurred was in the future, and an alternate one at that which was erased the moment the accident didn't happen. Harry communicated the message he sent along with the co-ordinates to knock them out of slip stream via Seven's temporal node, so there's no way they'd have had any memories of what happened as they weren't there. I believe Janeway said it best when she remarked on the fact that she usually doesn't try to figure out time travel.
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