Spoilers Timeless: Season 1 on NBC

[Christopher]

Stubborn Insistence, huh? Sorta like how you've spent about 15 of these 31 pages telling us the lifeboat couldn't possibly be capable of independent travel, and that some of this only made sense if it was a tethering-type situation?

As I already explained, I never "insisted" on that, I merely found it the most likely possibility given the available evidence, and I didn't want to speculate beyond the evidence, precisely because I do not assume my judgment is infallible. And of course, now that we have gotten evidence debunking my conjecture, I have naturally abandoned that conjecture, so it's a dead letter now and I don't know why you'd bring it back up. You're just being rude now, so I'm done.

 

[Scout101]

Perhaps it's your tone and word choice? You're quite rude and condescending yourself, you just don't see it. There aren't many threads where you aren't going after someone or other, it's a recurring theme. No one is allowed to have fun or speculate on your watch!

I wasn't "just being rude", spent a good deal of time actually addressing points that you ignored in favor of insulting me. Whatever, man.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Can we talk about the Al Capone episode? I thought it was an ok episode. Clearly, the show is setting something up for the finale. We got our team that has gone completely rogue. We got the NSA that has taken over the base and doing their darndest to stop our team. And it looks like Flynn is going to try to stop a big Rittenhouse meeting in 1954. I look forward to seeing what the show does. Will the show do something radical and upend the premise for season 2 or hit the big reset button?

 

[Mr Awe]

Perhaps it's your tone and word choice? You're quite rude and condescending yourself, you just don't see it. There aren't many threads where you aren't going after someone or other, it's a recurring theme. No one is allowed to have fun or speculate on your watch!

Not wanting to seem like I'm piling on, but I have to agree. Christopher, you're an intelligent guy with lots of great points, but I often think that you're unaware of how you come across sometimes. Sometimes I enjoy discussing things with you, even when we disagree, because you put a lot of thought into your discussion. However, sometimes it's just aggravating because of the tone.

Can we talk about the Al Capone episode? I thought it was an ok episode. Clearly, the show is setting something up for the finale. We got our team that has gone completely rogue. We got the NSA that has taken over the base and doing their darndest to stop our team. And it looks like Flynn is going to try to stop a big Rittenhouse meeting in 1954. I look forward to seeing what the show does. Will the show do something radical and upend the premise for season 2 or hit the big reset button?

Yes, onward and upward! I thought part 1 of the season finale was OK. I don't have high hopes that we'll learn much about Rittenhouse at the meeting. I think it'll remain a generic shadow organization. Most likely, the meeting only represents an opportunity for Flynn to kill many members all at once rather than an opportunity for us to learn. I'm guessing there might be a few changes when all is said and done, but not a huge premise changing type of thing. It appears like the show is just meant for fun. The fun of seeing different time periods, a fairly stereotypical bad guy, and a vanilla shadow organization but not much thought, depth, or exploration.

Here's hoping they prove me wrong! All of that said, I do hope the show gets a 2nd season!

Mr Awe

 

[Scout101]

I wish there was some shadowy cabal that just went around and prevented show writers from using generic shadow organizations as the bad guy/threat. So over it, and they never make any sense. usually too big to even possibly operate in secret in the first place, but as they have to stay one step ahead of our plucky heroes, they're essentially omnipotent!

An occasional relatable bad guy with real motivations would be a nice refreshing change

Section 31 only really worked because it was rarely used, and when it was, it was more of a black ops spy ring and less of a mastermind puppeteer that's controlling the entire universe and has moles everywhere. they want you to think like that, but truth was somewhat less.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ Agreed all around. It was particularly disappointing when the big reveal was that the manipulative, string pulling shadow organization wanted to use the time machine to manipulate and pull strings throughout history! Really?!

I thought Flynn might be the type of bad guy that you describe. But, he just flaked out after killing Rittenhouse and is pretty much a mustache twirler now.

I think you were onto this show when you described it as history porn!

 

[JD]

Not to bad of an episode. I was hoping them leaving Mason Idustries (I think that the name?) behind would lead to a bigger change, but they still pretty much the same thing they did every other episode.
It kind of bugged me that they never changed clothes to something more period appropriate. I understand they were busy, but you'd think they could have still taken an extra minute or two to grab some clothes, I don't usually condone theft, but it would probably be the only option at this point, and change into something that would allow them to blend it.
I did like them having to go to Capone's brother, that was a nice little twist and a bit of Capone trivia I don't remember ever hearing before.
@Mr. Awe, I have to agree with you about Flynn. It's almost kind of weird the way they treat him, sometimes he comes across as a sympathetic, almost likeable character, and then at other times he's comes across as pure evil.

 

[Romulan_spy]

The episode did give us a glimpse into how dangerous Rittenhouse would be with time travel: it would not hesitate to wipe enemies out of existence by murdering their ancestors as we saw in the scene where the NSA boss orders the soldier, Lucy and Rufus to go back and kill Flynn's mother.

 

[Scout101]

Of course, if Flynn is never born, no one is stealing the mothership, who are they chasing? Kinda the issues that can be avoided in a movie where it's a one-time change and you live with the result. Gotta be careful with how they're messing with things in a recurring format. causality loops all over the place, gets messy...

 

[marillion]

Apropos of nothing, I just realized that Lucy's dad is played by the actor who played the creepy guy "Gus" who kept hitting on Christina Applegate in "Don't Tell Mom, the Babysitter's Dead.".... I thought it was him and sure enough.. The wealth of completely useless trivial knowledge in my brain frightens me sometimes... Oy!!

 

[Mr Awe]

Scout, that just gave me an idea. Rittenhouse may have had an ulterior motive to preventing Flynn's birth. If Flynn is not born and the machine is not stolen, then Rittenhouse just gets the machine after it's developed by Mason Industries, right? Also, the team of good guys never gets assembled and never learns about Rittenhouse. It's the best case for Rittenhouse. They get their time machine and fewer people know about them.

 

[Photoman15]

Scout, that just gave me an idea. Rittenhouse may have had an ulterior motive to preventing Flynn's birth. If Flynn is not born and the machine is not stolen, then Rittenhouse just gets the machine after it's developed by Mason Industries, right? Also, the team of good guys never gets assembled and never learns about Rittenhouse. It's the best case for Rittenhouse. They get their time machine and fewer people know about them.

That is until the figure out that if Flynn didn't kill Rittenhouse (Quark), RITTENHOUSE (the organization) would have never started because that murder causes the son to form RITTENHOUSE. So.....Flynn has to be born to help create RITTENHOUSE.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ If that's actually what happened. Another possibility, as indicated in the show, is that Rittenhouse the person had already built up the organization enough that it continued to exist without him. In this case, his death didn't cause the formation of the organization but rather simply didn't harm the organization.

 

[Photoman15]

Well then killing Quark made RITTENHOUSE more resolved to take over the world behind the scenes.

 

[Mr Awe]

Perhaps. Or perhaps it made them both more determined but yet lessened their capacity without his presence to set up the organization. Those effects might have cancelled each other out. It just didn't seem like killing him had any impact on the organization in terms of making them more or less capable.

 

[sojourner]

I think it would have been funny if after they had killed "Quark" they come back to the present to find the only change is now it's not called Rittenhouse.

 

[Timewalker]

Okay, I was not expecting this twist as a season finale, regarding Lucy's mom.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Considering who the actress is, I expected more (presence) of Mum throughout.

'Girl has clout as an actress.

Was Gia seeing a parallel world, meaning that all the old timelines that they have visited, still exist like cosmic sheetcake piled on one another, or was she seeing the future?

 

[Romulan_spy]

Was Gia seeing a parallel world, meaning that all the old timelines that they have visited, still exist like cosmic sheetcake piled on one another, or was she seeing the future?

Could be either. But I think it would be cool if it was the future and our intrepid team have to figure out how to prevent the destruction.

My question is about the red head pilot. Didn't she fake her own death and travel back to the wild west because she did not want to be a part of Rittenhouse's plans? Yet, Lucy's mom's exposition seems to strongly imply that she is the Rittenhouse operative that has taken control of the Mothership. It is a great plot twist but I am a little confused.

 

[Ovation]

Could be either. But I think it would be cool if it was the future and our intrepid team have to figure out how to prevent the destruction.

My question is about the red head pilot. Didn't she fake her own death and travel back to the wild west because she did not want to be a part of Rittenhouse's plans? Yet, Lucy's mom's exposition seems to strongly imply that she is the Rittenhouse operative that has taken control of the Mothership. It is a great plot twist but I am a little confused.

I think she's part of "the long game" Rittenhouse is playing.

Considering who the actress is, I expected more (presence) of Mum throughout.

'Girl has clout as an actress.

Was Gia seeing a parallel world, meaning that all the old timelines that they have visited, still exist like cosmic sheetcake piled on one another, or was she seeing the future?

She's seeing the past, when the bridge was under construction.