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Spoilers Timeless: Season 1 on NBC

Ugh, the finale was a mess. So Rittenhouse is this huge, pervasive conspiracy woven into the heart of the power structure since the dawn of the nation, yet suddenly it's supposed to be a smaller fringe group that can be brought down by a few boxes of evidence, and that there's enough of an honest power structure in place that the key members can be arrested without it bringing down the entire structure of the government and society? That's just sloppy and slapdash. Of course, there was the big twist about Moira Queen, err, Lucy's mom being Rittenhouse and the conspiracy somehow still existing, which was predictable but given no shred of explanation. It all felt rushed and careless -- but then, this whole show has been plagued by carelessness in its worldbuilding.

And if it's safe to bring three people through time but dangerous to bring four, then shouldn't the danger have affected all four travelers equally? I mean, if a rowboat can support three people without sinking but not four, then all four people in it are going to get wet. It was arbitrary that Jiya was the only one who suffered ill effects.

They seem to be setting up Annie Wersching's character as the new big bad, but she's just been cast as a regular (I think) in Marvel's Runaways for Hulu. That could be a problem if Timeless gets renewed, though apparently that's looking iffy. At this point, I'd be okay if it didn't get renewed. I like the cast well enough -- especially Malcolm Barrett, who's done some fantastic acting -- and I like its attempts to look at history from overlooked perspectives, though it's dropped the ball on occasion. But conceptually it's a mess, and I'm sick of Vast Conspiracy stories.
 
I agree, if this show is not renewed I will not miss it. That was such an unsatisfying finale, whether season or series, I do not care what happens next. It's clear this series is all about Rhittenhouse and nothing last night changed that. I was hoping they would move on from that and have a new direction. Whoever replaces Flynn we are going to still have someone with vague motivations to mutilate history. I doubt I will ever rewatch the whole season but all Flynn's actions seem random and foolish. Some of his actions could have changed history so much he easily erased himself or his family in the process.
 
Also, where the heck did they get their '50s clothes? We just went from Jiya saying "Is that what you're wearing?" to Lucy and Wyatt being dressed to the nines in '50s sartorial splendor. What did they buy those getups with? (Although Abigail Spencer looked especially beautiful with her hair done up that way.)
 
It's hard to really care about Lucy's sister when we barely saw her. Lucy rattled of all these great things about her, which means as much to us as to her mother who never even had her in this timeline. The same applies to her Mother as well. We have seen so little of her or know what their original relationship was like that this twist came of as flat. For a revelation about a character to have real drama it needs to defy our preconceptions. So far she has been just "Lucy's Mom with little screen time". When everyone is revealed to be part of the conspiracy, they become interchangeable and forgettable.
 
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I think she's part of "the long game" Rittenhouse is playing.

I guess that could work. There certainly would be some advantages in having a Rittenhouse agent hidden in the 1800's where they could manipulate history. So maybe faking her death was part of the long game to hide an agent in the past?

Ugh, the finale was a mess. So Rittenhouse is this huge, pervasive conspiracy woven into the heart of the power structure since the dawn of the nation, yet suddenly it's supposed to be a smaller fringe group that can be brought down by a few boxes of evidence, and that there's enough of an honest power structure in place that the key members can be arrested without it bringing down the entire structure of the government and society? That's just sloppy and slapdash.

Another big problem I have is that the show never fully convinced me that Rittenhouse was this monstrous entity that had to be stopped at all costs. Sure, they are evil but nothing more than your typical shadowy group. I never felt like the stakes were that high. As a result, sure, I wanted the good guys to defeat Rittenhouse but I was never that emotionally invested in it. The problem is that we never knew what Rittenhouse wanted to do with the time machine. For example, if the show had revealed Rittenhouse's plan was to create a Nazi America, sure it would be cliche, but at least the audience would know exactly why we need the good guys to win. But instead, we just got very vague clues that Rittenhouse wants to change history so that they can control history. That is not enough to make me care.

When the show kept telling us that if Rittenhouse ever got their hands on the time machine, that it would mean unspeakable horror, I kept waiting for some big revelation. But it never came.
 
Also, where the heck did they get their '50s clothes? We just went from Jiya saying "Is that what you're wearing?" to Lucy and Wyatt being dressed to the nines in '50s sartorial splendor. What did they buy those getups with? (Although Abigail Spencer looked especially beautiful with her hair done up that way.)
Probably the same way Kirk and Spock got their clothes in City on the Edge of Forever - stole them, except from a store.
 
I didn't care for the finale. We're supposed to just assume that Rittenhouse is this massive, evil organization. OK. But, what does it do? Just manipulate things I guess. Like Christopher, I thought it was a bit too easy to just build a case against them and prosecute. Although, the foundation for that approach was laid in the Capone story. But, if it was such a powerful organization, that shouldn't work. It was sort of redeemed by the fact that it didn't really work. We wound up with lots of dead agents and Rittenhouse seized the mothership!

I don't have much positive to say about the finale, so instead of listing those out I'll just stop. I'll just say that if the show isn't back, I won't miss it. It's become apparent it's only aspirations were to be history porn with a vanilla conspiracy organization. No great aspirations. I did enjoy the main stars. They had good characters. Especially Rufus. I also enjoyed the gorgeous look of the series. No other time travel series has presented history visually as well this show.

If Rittenhouse truly has the mothership, they should do way more damage than Flynn ever did. They've got the resources, inside knowledge, ruthlessness, and the motivation. Seems like they should be much harder, if not impossible, to stop!
 
If Rittenhouse truly has the mothership, they should do way more damage than Flynn ever did. They've got the resources, inside knowledge, ruthlessness, and the motivation. Seems like they should be much harder, if not impossible, to stop!

I agree. Hopefully, season 2 can really up the ante. Show us just how bad Rittenhouse can be to history and have our heroes struggle to stop them for long time.
 
Could be either. But I think it would be cool if it was the future and our intrepid team have to figure out how to prevent the destruction.

My question is about the red head pilot. Didn't she fake her own death and travel back to the wild west because she did not want to be a part of Rittenhouse's plans? Yet, Lucy's mom's exposition seems to strongly imply that she is the Rittenhouse operative that has taken control of the Mothership. It is a great plot twist but I am a little confused.
I'm pretty sure the whole story about not wanting to be part of Rittenhouse's plans, and working with Flynn was just a set up to get control of The Mothership.
She's seeing the past, when the bridge was under construction.
Ok, I was assuming it was either the past where it was being built or a future where it was destroyed. I'm wondering if this means that Gia or her mind is now going to start jumping around in time?
Earlier in the thread somebody complained about Gia being the only one effected by being having an extra person in the Lifeboat, and I do agree that was odd.

This was an OK finale. Having Lucy's mom part of Rittenhouse was a cool surprise, but I think I would have liked it better if they actually did take down Rittenhouse, and then just brought in a new big bad next season. Rittenhouse has been the weakest part of the show so far, so I was happy when it looked like we were actually done with them. I guess if they work on developing them more next season that might help. I wonder what, if any role Flynn will have next season?
The stuff with McCarthy was pretty good, and them setting up Lucy's grandfather as a mole in Rittenhouse was pretty cool.
 
Having Lucy's mom part of Rittenhouse was a cool surprise

Was it, though? Part of the reason I hate conspiracy stories is that they're so predictable -- the person you trust the most or suspect the least will always turn out to be part of the conspiracy. So for me, that revelation wasn't surprising, just tedious and formulaic.

I'm also a bit tired of stories where the big overarching plot affecting the fate of the whole world ends up revolving entirely around the lead character's immediate family. I miss the days when lead characters were selfless and dedicated themselves to helping others. These days, they're usually engulfed in their own personal soap operas, every plotline revolves around them, and any help they provide to others is a side story that exists to advance their personal drama -- or else the problems they're helping to fix were directly caused by their own actions or those of their evil parents.
 
Yeah, I was kinda disappointed too...

Now, I think what Lucy's grandfather did seems "simple", but it seemed clear to me it was a massive amount of documentation that even a sneaky society couldn't avoid. That was actually one of the more "realistic" parts of Timeless -- they didn't necessarily change history, but planted something that would come to fruitition in the far future (an aspect of time travel rarely seen...the only thing I can remember were the ads in newspapers used to communicate to the future in Time Trax)

For Gia... I thought I heard that she said that her health issues weren't related to the 4 people, but something else (and that the time travel in general "activated" it).

I think the whole show wasn't well thought out...it's not bad, but like everyone else, it wouldn't hurt me to drop this from all the other shows I watch.

I guess we'll see if anything happens...I AM curious about the journal...
 
I hope the show gets renewed. It has become one of the few TV series on the air that I really enjoyed.
 
Asimov's Second Foundation of telepathic mutants was in secret shepherding the First Foundation. Eventually when they were almost discovered, they pulled a rip cord, ejecting some willing sacrifices, a few hundred mutants, who claimed that they were the totality of the Second Foundation, when they were not, but there were enough warm bodies in an internment camp that the First Foundation assumed that they were free of mutant supervision and could now be free to be guided by Seldon's dead hand honestly.
 
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I hope the show gets renewed. It has become one of the few TV series on the air that I really enjoyed.
Something confused me about last night's episode. Did you catch it? Details in spoiler below...

Before the commercial break, I thought Lucy was going to have to travel with Flynn for a while in the mothership while Rufus and Wyatt took Jiya back for medical help in the lifeboat. But then after the commercial break, she and Wyatt are checking in with her grandfather. It almost feels like there is a missing scene.
 
Before the commercial break, I thought Lucy was going to have to travel with Flynn for a while in the mothership

Travel in the mothership, yes, but not for a while, just straight back to the present. There were five people who needed to return to the present, but it was dangerous to send more than three in the lifeboat, so the other two had to use the mothership instead.
 
Who piloted the mothership? The redheaded lady didn't come along right? Does Flynn know how to pilot it? I can't remember but I didn't think so. That's why he needed Anthony, right?
 
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