Spoilers Timeless: Season 1 on NBC
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I think it's odd how it was handled. Also, she could've just taken the mothership then because now we know she was a Rittenhouse operative. Clearly, the show was trying to gloss over this because it doesn't make sense.
Mr Awe
It's weird that Lucy didn't make out with Garcia, and Wyatt who is also needful for her, didn't catch them, and get stroppy, because I thought this was a dang pulp mellow drama for frakks sake.
Or, and this is ridiculous, but after they got the uranium core, and didn't need to "recharge" anymore... Flynn got his army into the past, via multiple time hops, which is what we used to do as teenagers trying to get to the beach or a Friday night party.
No one in the show has really grasped that any one left in the future is MURDERED and replaced by doppelgängers who experienced subtly different world histories from the Time travellers still in the past.
No one in the show has really grasped that any one left in the future is MURDERED and replaced by doppelgängers who experienced subtly different world histories from the Time travellers still in the past.
I just found a fanfic in which the three come back and discover that Lucy and Wyatt are married... to each other, and have a 13-month-old daughter. Jessica and Wyatt never even met in that universe, but Jessica was killed anyway. Amy doesn't exist, and Lucy's mom is a doting grandmother to baby Lena.
It's a work in progress and is holding my interest. The author started writing it before seeing all the episodes and is just handwaving away anything that contradicts the events and assumptions in the story. Given how sloppy the in-universe consistency is, this doesn't really bother me.
In some ways, I think this show is like the reverse of Voyagers! You have the government doing things that makes red lights for the Omni, and the Voyagers fix what the people of Timeless screw up.
I actually think they should establish a second team to clean up certain messes. I think there's a rule that says you can't go back to a place you exist. I'm not sure the extent of that rule though. Can Lucy simply not exist anywhere on Earth that she currently exists, or can she just not encounter her other self (like Back to the Future 2).
If you simply can't be anywhere on Earth, the end run around that rule is to have a second time travel team ready to fix things as reported by the first time travel team. So if Flynn kills Lincoln, Lucy tells someone on the second team, who has to go back and prevent Flynn from killing Lincoln.
I actually think they should establish a second team to clean up certain messes. I think there's a rule that says you can't go back to a place you exist. I'm not sure the extent of that rule though. Can Lucy simply not exist anywhere on Earth that she currently exists, or can she just not encounter her other self (like Back to the Future 2).
If you simply can't be anywhere on Earth, the end run around that rule is to have a second time travel team ready to fix things as reported by the first time travel team. So if Flynn kills Lincoln, Lucy tells someone on the second team, who has to go back and prevent Flynn from killing Lincoln.
Too much logic, but yeah, that would probably work just fine. Send a fixer team to go put it back to 'original' timeline-ish
Problem is, without that temporal shielding technobabble, no one that stays behind in the present should ever know what that timeline WAS. So when they started leaving people behind, it should have broken a lot of those linkages. But instead, they were even able to pick up conversations right where they left off pre-change! Only time it worked 'properly' was the first one with the Hindenburg, where things were different when they came back. After that, going to the past was treated the same as going to Cleveland, just closer and more desirable
Problem is, without that temporal shielding technobabble, no one that stays behind in the present should ever know what that timeline WAS. So when they started leaving people behind, it should have broken a lot of those linkages. But instead, they were even able to pick up conversations right where they left off pre-change! Only time it worked 'properly' was the first one with the Hindenburg, where things were different when they came back. After that, going to the past was treated the same as going to Cleveland, just closer and more desirable
They have to set up a base in the distant past, that has the correct/favoured historical records, which is then immune to all change that only moves forward upstream.
That is actually a brilliant idea...is that what the Time Masters did in Legends of Tomorrow?
Either way, hey future time travel writers... Keep this in mind.
The time masters did the opposite.
They hovered a faction of a second, before the end of the universe at vanishing point. (The point where time (and the entire universe) vanished.)
It did not matter what you did to time, it was always going to end the same way, at nearly the same moment.
Which is the opposite of what they said about ##### in Doctor who, about how the Universe was very super pissed about 90 trillion years of time being overturned because some one could not decide if she was dead or alive.
They hovered a faction of a second, before the end of the universe at vanishing point. (The point where time (and the entire universe) vanished.)
It did not matter what you did to time, it was always going to end the same way, at nearly the same moment.
Which is the opposite of what they said about ##### in Doctor who, about how the Universe was very super pissed about 90 trillion years of time being overturned because some one could not decide if she was dead or alive.
That's where the checks and balances come in. Team A would know the original timeline. Team B would have the mission parameters. It works as long as Team A can be trusted. The interesting part is that Team B would know they accomplished their mission, but their sense of history would be off.
Would a base in the distant past work though? Wouldn't all the people on that base be affected by timeline changes anyway? Say in 2017, we set up a base in the year 1000. Then Flynn kills George Washington, which alters history, and you're not born in say, 1981. Wouldn't you still disappear in the year 1000, since you weren't around to travel back there? How would those records be insulated?
The Time Masters actually exist in Vanishing Point, which exists outside of time, some time changes can't affect them. Timeless doesn't have that.
Poul Anderson already did this decades ago with his Time Patrol series. In his in-universe continuity, when time travel is invented (many centuries in the future from the 20th century), the Danellians appear and inform the inventors that they (the Danellians) are the next step in human evolution and are determined to ensure their own existence by making sure nobody changes history.
So the Time Patrol is set up and recruits agents in many times (referred to as milieus), both to do historical research and to act as a sort of time police - if anyone from any century mucks up Earth's history, these agents are supposed to fix it. Since people from many times and places mingle, they speak a common language (Temporal) that has the tenses necessary to be very precise about things that happen and don't happen.
The Academy where all agents train is located in the American West in the Oligocene period, maintained there for 500,000 years, and then demolished so thoroughly that humans after that would not be able to detect anything, let alone advanced technology. There's also a hunting lodge in Europe, also in that time period, also used for millennia, and demolished so it would be undetectable.
Of course there are major incidents of people changing history, and the hero of the series, Manse Everard, has to fix them. Sometimes he intends to hop to one year and discovers it's changed drastically from what he knows (he was born in the early 20th century). In cases like those, headquarters are back in the Oligocene, and everyone futureward of the time when history was changed had best get themselves out of that time and back previous to the change, or else they'll blink into nonexistence when someone eventually figures out how to change history back.
The series consists of numerous short stories and a novel.
I dunno, maybe I'm easily entertained and have mostly out-grown or stopped caring about scrutinizing details of shows to make sure it all works perfectly and makes sense, but I liked the series and hope to see it renewed.
Just seeing their depictions of the past time lines and historical figures, and focusing on some lesser-known ones at that, is entertaining enough for me. Yeah, none of this makes sense, there's a lot of questions I have and it seems character motivations change on a dime and when it's convenient, things also happen a bit too nicely but overall I got some measure of enjoyment out of it.
Liked the Capone episode and the finale with Lucy's grandfather and him being homosexual, as well as her and Wyatt reassuring him he was okay with their 21st century views on homosexuality clashing with the 1950s/60s views her grandfather had been programmed with. It's that sort of stuff that, for me, is interesting to see as back then people really did "fear" it, felt it made something within them wrong that needed to be treated or fixed and it's nifty to see someone who feels that way to encounter some people with the mentality of more progressive people of today telling him everything is fine. Everyone else has the problem, not him.
It's "convenient" to me only what's-her-name was impacted by the overloading of the life boat (which was another use of a Chekov's Gun this show hamfistedly uses, Rufus says it's dangerous to do it so, of course, something is going to happen the moment they do it.) But at this point we may have to accept there's some "temporal shielding" in play here even if the characters don't seem to know it. This shielding causes them to be protected from timeline changes that occur around them and from any effects of the time-travel itself.
I'm surprised the arc with Lucy's sister wasn't resolved given how much time is spent with it over the season and Wyatt's story was mostly wrapped up (with him accepting what happened) as was the romantic arc with Rufus and what's-her-name. But only Lucy's story thread isn't resolved?
Whatever. I had an enjoyable enough time with the show.
Just seeing their depictions of the past time lines and historical figures, and focusing on some lesser-known ones at that, is entertaining enough for me. Yeah, none of this makes sense, there's a lot of questions I have and it seems character motivations change on a dime and when it's convenient, things also happen a bit too nicely but overall I got some measure of enjoyment out of it.
Liked the Capone episode and the finale with Lucy's grandfather and him being homosexual, as well as her and Wyatt reassuring him he was okay with their 21st century views on homosexuality clashing with the 1950s/60s views her grandfather had been programmed with. It's that sort of stuff that, for me, is interesting to see as back then people really did "fear" it, felt it made something within them wrong that needed to be treated or fixed and it's nifty to see someone who feels that way to encounter some people with the mentality of more progressive people of today telling him everything is fine. Everyone else has the problem, not him.
It's "convenient" to me only what's-her-name was impacted by the overloading of the life boat (which was another use of a Chekov's Gun this show hamfistedly uses, Rufus says it's dangerous to do it so, of course, something is going to happen the moment they do it.) But at this point we may have to accept there's some "temporal shielding" in play here even if the characters don't seem to know it. This shielding causes them to be protected from timeline changes that occur around them and from any effects of the time-travel itself.
I'm surprised the arc with Lucy's sister wasn't resolved given how much time is spent with it over the season and Wyatt's story was mostly wrapped up (with him accepting what happened) as was the romantic arc with Rufus and what's-her-name. But only Lucy's story thread isn't resolved?
Whatever. I had an enjoyable enough time with the show.
Her name is Jiya. Although apparently she managed to get through an entire season without being given a last name, even in background material.
Damn it. I liked Timeless.
Okay, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon...pick it up.
Okay, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon...pick it up.
It isn't unexpected, with the convoluted Rittenhouse plot that I was starting to need a flowchart to keep track of.
There's some pretty good fan fiction around, though.
There's some pretty good fan fiction around, though.
It's a killing field.
Time after time is cancelled, Frequency cancelled, 12 monkeys "ending", and making history is in the toilet.
It'll be years before someone will be brave enough to make another new time travel tv series.
Can I get some more Time Travelling Bong though?
Time after time is cancelled, Frequency cancelled, 12 monkeys "ending", and making history is in the toilet.
It'll be years before someone will be brave enough to make another new time travel tv series.
Can I get some more Time Travelling Bong though?
Honestly, I'm neither surprised nor particularly disappointed. As I've said before, I liked the cast and the willingness to look at history from a non-white-male perspective, but the concepts were exceedingly sloppy and I'm sick of stories about vast ancient conspiracies.
