Time?

[Timo]

Hmh? I don't think "current" Earth years came up once in either DS9 or VOY, and TNG was guilty of a single mention early on. It was always ambiguous stardates, and Sisko even seemed to think in terms of Bajoran years so that supposed annual events failed to fall in the same episodes on different seasons.

Earth years were an all-new thing in ENT. And then again in Abramsverse, even if only obliquely.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Noname Given]

Hmh? I don't think "current" Earth years came up once in either DS9 or VOY, and TNG was guilty of a single mention early on. It was always ambiguous stardates, and Sisko even seemed to think in terms of Bajoran years so that supposed annual events failed to fall in the same episodes on different seasons.

Earth years were an all-new thing in ENT. And then again in Abramsverse, even if only obliquely.

Timo Saloniemi

And you'd be incorrect.

In DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations"; The Earth year that they travel to is specifically mentioned (By the alien Trill, Jadzia Dad); and in the first season episode of ST: V "Eye Of The Needle" The Vulcan, Tuvok states the current year is 2371, because they encountered a Romulan from the year 2351.

There are probably more episodes from both series that mention Earth years and some fashion but the above two are the ones I can come up with off the top of my head.

 

[Timo]

i doubt there'd be more - as the point there is the time travel aspect. Admiral Vance is also discussing time travel. So yeah, there's a convention there, as regards Earthlings who time travel. But no convention of ever mentioning Earth years when there is no Ancient Earth involved. They have stardates for that.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

When have ranks besides Captain made sense in Star Trek?

Honestly, even that has it's issues as they seem to confuse the rank of Captain (US O-6/NATO OF-5) and the billet of Ship's Captain (aka Commanding Officer or Skipper) which can be held by several different ranks (between OF-3 and OF-6 depending on ship-type and service). It's possible but unconfirmed that the recanonised rank of Fleet Captain might help with this but this is so far unconfirmed.

 

[Timo]

We'll have to wait and see.

So far, only one person in Trek history has been identified as Fleet Captain. This would be Pike in "The Menagerie", but in that episode, he doesn't wear rank markings - instead, he wears a mobile iron lung.

A dream sequence in DSC shows Pike wearing a uniform with five stars on the shoulders, possibly indicating Fleet Captain rank because four star-like devices (pips in TNG, say) have traditionally indicated "ordinary" Captain (except in sleeve braid -based systems which are their own thing). However, this dream sequence never mentions the Fleet Captain rank. While the sequence additionally shows a "flash-forward" of the supposed Fleet Captain Pike rescuing cadets and getting radiation-burned, his standard DSC style uniform there doesn't offer us any way to observe his rank markers.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Wormhole]

There are probably more episodes from both series that mention Earth years and some fashion but the above two are the ones I can come up with off the top of my head.

Off the top of my head from Voyager, in Future's End Henry Starling reads information from Voyager's database and and says aloud the ship was launched in 2371. Homestead is clearly meant to be set in 2378 based on them saying it's the 315th anniversary of Vulcans making contact with Zefram Cochrane.

Although not as conclusive, in DS9 Field of Fire the young Ensign who gets murdered at the start is a graduate of the "Class of 72." The episode itself is set in 2375.

 

[Cyrus]

There are probably more episodes from both series that mention Earth years and some fashion but the above two are the ones I can come up with off the top of my head.

in that TNG Brannon Braga time loop episode, Captain Frasier (Kelsey Grammer) mentions the year.

 

[Noname Given]

in that TNG Brannon Braga time loop episode, Captain Frasier (Kelsey Grammer) mentions the year.

To be fair it's not the fact that humans from Earth are talking in Earth years; The point was that aliens were also parroting the Earth year and not their own planet"s year (or however they measure the passage of time it took to orbit their sun on their planet.

In the two episodes I mentioned, Tuvok, a Vulcan; And Jadzia Dax, a Trill were using Earth years.

 

[Timo]

Moreover, while Dax was describing events that only ever affected humans and one half-human (and Klingons), to a bunch of humans (and one Klingon), Tuvok wasn't discussing anything human- or Earth-specific.

But it's still time travel, and in Tuvok's case, using Vulcan or Romulan years would not make any additional sense: it's a multicultural issue there, and when the UT gives English to English speakers, there's no point in it not also giving Earth years if mere stardates won't do. Tuvok may have his UT tuned to Vulcan for all we care, but the Romulan would certainly have his on Romulaneseian. He's additionally making the courteous gesture of using Earth years, though, for obvious reasons; Tuvok is basically obligated to return the courtesy.

Off the top of my head from Voyager, in Future's End Henry Starling reads information from Voyager's database and and says aloud the ship was launched in 2371.

Yup, time travel again; the regular heroes don't do that in the general case.

[quote[]Homestead is clearly meant to be set in 2378 based on them saying it's the 315th anniversary of Vulcans making contact with Zefram Cochrane.[/quote]

It really ought to be 2377 by counting of the seasons and years. Might be Neelix isn't completely in on this human concept of "anniversary" here..

Although not as conclusive, in DS9 Field of Fire the young Ensign who gets murdered at the start is a graduate of the "Class of 72." The episode itself is set in 2375.

The Okudagrams are also full of Earth dates; the folks behind the scenes were never unaware of what the current Earth year was supposed to be. Or what the Encyclopedia and Chronology stated about Trek pseudohistory, what with the authors themselves being very much in the loop.

It's just that Trek adventures don't nail themselves to Earth years except in terms of time travel back to old Earth. And that DSC continues this tradition, there being no undue emphasis on Earth timekeeping after Burnham's one cutesy reference right off the bat in "Vulcan Hello", an episode full of non sequiturs and things the characters really would have had no business doing.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Paul Weaver]

Some direct references to Earth dates in dialog from 22nd-25th century

Voyager has a lot.


(Time and Again): TUVOK: A Romulan research colony was nearly destroyed during the testing of one these devices. It lead to the Polaric Test Ban Treaty of 2268.

(Eye of the Beholder): TUVOK: Captain, what year is it?
TELEK: What year?
TUVOK: If you please.
TELEK: By your calendar, the year is 2351.
CHAKOTAY: But this is 2371.

(The 37s): JANEWAY: What I'm going to tell you is going to sound hard to believe. Even preposterous. We think you were abducted from Earth in the 1930's and brought millions of miles through space to a planet on the other side of the galaxy. You were put into a kind of deep sleep for a very long time. It's not the 1930's any more. The year is 2371, over four hundred years from the time you were abducted.

(Dreadnought): DREADNOUGHT [OC]: Probability assessment indicates you are operating within the parameters of the Cardassian Federation Alliance, as described in the treaty of 2367. A treaty rejected by the Maquis.

(Dreadnought): DREADNOUGHT [OC]: Probability assessment indicates you are operating within the parameters of the Cardassian Federation Alliance, as described in the treaty of 2367. A treaty rejected by the Maquis.

(Lifesigns): EMH: It's all part of my programming. For example, this exact procedure was developed by Doctor Leonard McCoy in the year 2253. I'm equipped with the collective medical knowledge of more than three thousand cultures. Additionally, as you see here, my imaging system allows me to perform, and in many cases improve upon, the most delicate tactile manoeuvres required by a dizzying array of surgical procedures.

(Warlord): KIM: Volleyball. They're a Championship team. Gold medal winners in 2216.

(Scientific Method): TORRES: Well, I appreciate the sacrifice. Tell me about the wine.
PARIS: Ah. Ktarian Merlot, 2282. You might want to let it breathe first.

(Year of Hell): TORRES: A notorious athlete, Parrises Squares championship finals, er, controversial decision.
KIM: M'Kota R'Cho. The first and only Klingon to play the game. During the finals of 2342 one of the referees called a penalty against his team. R'Cho strangled him.

(Year of Hell): JANEWAY: I think I'll replicate a bottle of Saint Emillion for the occasion. 2370. I hear that was a good year.

(In the Flesh) CHAKOTAY: Before today? March 3rd, 2368. The day I resigned my commission. I can still remember the look on the Admiral's face.

(11:59) KIM: It was around 2210. My uncle Jack was on a deep space mission to Beta Capricus.

(Warhead); PARIS: Neelix, you're a saint. Okay, that'll be one bottle of Mouton Rothschild, a 2342 if it's in the database. A Terrelian pheasant, steamed asparagus, and a single rose.

(Alice): PARIS: All right, all right, hold on. If you were married in 2304 and your daughter was conceived in your eleventh pon farr, that would make you a hundred and sixty two years old.

(Q2) ICHEB: Though it was a blatant violation of the Prime Directive, Kirk saved the Pelosians from extinction, just as he had the Baezians and the Chenari many years earlier. Finally, in the year 2270, Kirk completed his historic five year mission

(Endgame): CADET: In the year 2377, you aided the Borg resistance movement known as Unimatrix Zero.

(Endgame): Chakotay's gravestone says 2329-2394

Now while some of those are in time travel related episodes and refer to the travel (37s, Eye of the Beholder), there are others in those episodes which don't refer to dates due to time travel (Endgame, Year of Hell).

Ancient Earth History may include references to Kirk and McCoy, but Chakotay's resignation, Parrises Squares, and Ktarian Merlot don't fit in either category.

Broadly the categories are
1) Explaining (in universe) time difference to time travellers
2) Dating alcohol
3) Sport events
4) Treaty dates
5) Events from >100 years ago

But even then there are statements like Chakotay's in "In the Flesh".

TOS, TNG and DS9 have fewer references

TOS
(Wolf in the Fold) COMPUTER: Working. 1932. Shanghai, China, Earth. Seven women knifed to death. 1974, Kiev, USSR, Earth. Five women knifed to death. 2105. Martian colonies. Eight women knifed to death. 2156. Heliopolis, Alpha Eridani Two.

TNG
(The Neutral Zone) DATA: By your calendar two thousand three hundred sixty four

(Up the Long Ladder) PICARD: Locate all Earth deep space launches from 2123 until 2190, with a destination in or near the Ficus sector. (et. al)



I can't find a single reference in DS9 to a specific year (plenty of relative references, e.g.
SISKO: I'd like you to meet Harmon Bokai, a baseball player from the London Kings who's been dead for two hundred years.
DULMUR: A hundred and five years, one month, and twelve days ago.,

or references to a century like
COMPUTER: Idran is based on the analysis conducted in the twenty-second century by the Quadros-One probe of the Gamma Quadrant.
DAX: A similar subspace rupture was reported in the Hanoli System in the mid twenty third century.

 

[AresB]

2) Dating alcohol

The champagne bottle in the beginning of ST: Generations falls into this category, it's labeled "vintage 2265." Officially that was the year when 1st season of TOS took place. Of course that was never spoken out loud, but fitting to the film's theme of passing baton to the next generation of Starship Enterprise.

 

[The Wormhole]

Another reference to the date was in the Picard finale, where it is stated in dialogue that Data died in 2379, thus making it canon that's when Nemesis is set.

Also, the flashback scenes to the attack in Mars are identified in the caption as "2384 - fifteen years ago."