Time traveling

[Dryson]

Time travel is not scientifically possible because you have would have to revert all matter to a state comparable with the time being traveled to. This means whole stars and galaxies would have to be rewound much like a VHS tape can be rewound over and over to see something that took place in the past.

Eventually though the VHS tape or the time shift itself would snap or tear due to excessive use this causing a an extreme disaster of galactic proportions.

From what I have read about and watched in movies regarding time travel the event always revolves a gravitational force and gravities affect on something to cause an time shift.

Mars takes longer to orbit the Sun than Earth does while it takes Venus less time than both to orbit our Sun.
Do the math for how old a traveler would be if they went to Mars then Venus and then back to Earth where the travaler stayed on each planet for five complete orbits of Mars and Venus the sun. The travel time between all planets would different than the actual time orbiting the planets.

Gravity is the key to time travel.

But there is a way to be the time travel affects. If the traveler were able to travel in a void free of gravity. They would be able to cross the galaxy in maybe ten seconds. Once they had returned to their starting point 20 seconds later the age of the people on their home planet would have been 20 seconds.

The age of the people on the home planet would still be 20 seconds older when the traveler left. The age of the traveler would still be 20 seconds older from when they left Earth because time inside of the void without gravity would not exist to effect the aging process.

 

[Silvercrest]

Dryson, you're talking gibberish again. Might want to watch that.

 

[Dryson]

Dryson, you're talking gibberish again. Might want to watch that.

Actually it's not gibberish its based on cosmological data.

Each planet has a certain density and core activity value that determines not only its orbit around the sun in years or even months but also the time of day and night that planet faces the sun.

Earth orbits the sun at a certain velocity based on gravity which takes the Earth approx. 365 days to complete a full revolution around the sun.

The Earth travels 585.6 million miles around the sun a year at a velocity of 18.5 miles per second. If are traveler was to travel in a straight line for one year at 18.5 miles a second the traveler would have aged one year.

If the traveler travels 585.6 million miles an hour at the a velocity of 20 miles per second then the traveler would have arrive at the destination 1.5 miles per second faster than Earth did. As long as the traveler keeps moving he or she would always be ahead of time curve for the amount of time it took Earth to orbit the sun. The actual aging process is different because no two people age the same because of their bodies DNA.

 

[sojourner]

Dryson, you're talking gibberish again. Might want to watch that.

Actually it's not gibberish its based on cosmological data.

Each planet has a certain density and core activity value that determines not only its orbit around the sun in years or even months but also the time of day and night that planet faces the sun.

No. this is incorrect on every level.

Earth orbits the sun at a certain velocity based on gravity which takes the Earth approx. 365 days to complete a full revolution around the sun.

The Earth travels 585.6 million miles around the sun a year at a velocity of 18.5 miles per second. If are traveler was to travel in a straight line for one year at 18.5 miles a second the traveler would have aged one year.

If the traveler travels 585.6 million miles an hour at the a velocity of 20 miles per second then the traveler would have arrive at the destination 1.5 miles per second faster than Earth did. As long as the traveler keeps moving he or she would always bee ahead of time curve for the aging process on Earth.

You're almost describing general relativity, but not very well. Keep reading those books. You'll get it some day.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I'm convinced that Time Travel is real.

It is. I'm doing it at the moment and this moment [and this moment]...

In fact, we all travel into the future at the speed of light through space-time (so our entropy-conditioned memory tells us).

Travel into the past is more tricky but Kurt Gödel thought it possible along closed time-like curves. The Novikov self-consistency principle or many-worlds interpretation can be invoked to avoid paradoxes. The chronology protection conjecture might mean that any unified theory of quantum gravity disallows time travel into the past altogether except on the Planck scale.

 

[Silvercrest]

Dryson, you're talking gibberish again. Might want to watch that.

Actually it's not gibberish its based on cosmological data.

This statement

Time travel is not scientifically possible

contradicts this statement.

Gravity is the key to time travel.

If you declare something is impossible and then describe how to do it, you are talking nonsense.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

His consciousness must be in a state of a quantum superposition, where he believes two contradictory things simultaneously. Decoherence is imminent.

 

[Dryson]

His consciousness must be in a state of a quantum superposition, where he believes two contradictory things simultaneously. Decoherence is imminent.

Not really. Most people think of time travel as being able to travel into the past if your travel faster than the speed of light.

 

[Dryson]

I'm convinced that Time Travel is real.

It is. I'm doing it at the moment and this moment [and this moment]...

In fact, we all travel into the future at the speed of light through space-time (so our entropy-conditioned memory tells us).

Travel into the past is more tricky but Kurt Gödel thought it possible along closed time-like curves. The Novikov self-consistency principle or many-worlds interpretation can be invoked to avoid paradoxes. The chronology protection conjecture might mean that any unified theory of quantum gravity disallows time travel into the past altogether except on the Planck scale.

So basically you are taking a past condition to try and affect the future? Not even wrong.

 

[Dryson]

Gravity is what creates the key motion factor of time because gravity creates a process called work. Work takes energy to complete.

Without gravity there is no process of work for energy to be used to create the function of time but there is still the measurable distance of time between two points. One only occupies a point along the time line faster when gravity is not present.

 

[Dryson]

Dryson, you're talking gibberish again. Might want to watch that.

Actually it's not gibberish its based on cosmological data.

Each planet has a certain density and core activity value that determines not only its orbit around the sun in years or even months but also the time of day and night that planet faces the sun.

No. this is incorrect on every level.

Earth orbits the sun at a certain velocity based on gravity which takes the Earth approx. 365 days to complete a full revolution around the sun.

The Earth travels 585.6 million miles around the sun a year at a velocity of 18.5 miles per second. If are traveler was to travel in a straight line for one year at 18.5 miles a second the traveler would have aged one year.

If the traveler travels 585.6 million miles an hour at the a velocity of 20 miles per second then the traveler would have arrive at the destination 1.5 miles per second faster than Earth did. As long as the traveler keeps moving he or she would always bee ahead of time curve for the aging process on Earth.

You're almost describing general relativity, but not very well. Keep reading those books. You'll get it some day.

Are you that retarded?

That came directly from a physicist.

Each planet has a certain density and core activity value that determines not only its orbit around the sun in years or even months but also the time of day and night that planet faces the sun.
No. this is incorrect on every level.

So we don't measure time on Earth based on gravity affecting the Earth and its travel around the Sun?

Actually measuring time that the Earth takes to travel around the Sun is different than the physiological effects of gravity on the human body.

If a drunk and a non-drunk are monitored for ten years both being the same age born on the same day and same time in the same hospital the drunk will age faster than the non-drunk. Is this time travel because the drunk looks older and worn out compared to the non-drunk even though both are the same age?

If the traveler travels 585.6 million miles an hour at the a velocity of 20 miles per second then the traveler would have arrive at the destination 1.5 miles per second faster than Earth did. As long as the traveler keeps moving he or she would always be ahead of time curve for the aging process on Earth.

I should have said two travelers in orbit around the sun one traveling at the same velocity of Earth and the other 1.5 miles per second faster than the traveler orbiting the earth at 18.5 miles per second.

The 20.0 traveler would actually age first based on the calendar measure of time because the 20.0 traveler was traveling slighter faster than 18.5 traveler was. Over a hundred years at this rate and traveler 20.0 would have actually aged more than traveler 18.5 based on the measuring the time it takes Earth to orbit the Sun. The actual aging process however would be different for each one based on their physiological differences of how their bodies dealt with being in space.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Source please.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I'm convinced that Time Travel is real.

It is. I'm doing it at the moment and this moment [and this moment]...

In fact, we all travel into the future at the speed of light through space-time (so our entropy-conditioned memory tells us).

Travel into the past is more tricky but Kurt Gödel thought it possible along closed time-like curves. The Novikov self-consistency principle or many-worlds interpretation can be invoked to avoid paradoxes. The chronology protection conjecture might mean that any unified theory of quantum gravity disallows time travel into the past altogether except on the Planck scale.

So basically you are taking a past condition to try and affect the future? Not even wrong.

It's called causality.

 

[sojourner]

That came directly from a physicist.

Each planet has a certain density and core activity value that determines not only its orbit around the sun in years or even months but also the time of day and night that planet faces the sun.

No. this is still incorrect on every level. Density and "core activity" have nothing to do with determining orbits.

So we don't measure time on Earth based on gravity affecting the Earth and its travel around the Sun?

Actually measuring time that the Earth takes to travel around the Sun is different than the physiological effects of gravity on the human body.

If a drunk and a non-drunk are monitored for ten years both being the same age born on the same day and same time in the same hospital the drunk will age faster

"age" is the wrong word here. The drunk is just in poorer health due to life style choices.

than the non-drunk. Is this time travel because the drunk looks older and worn out compared to the non-drunk even though both are the same age?

Nope. not time travel in any way, shape, or form

If the traveler travels 585.6 million miles an hour at the a velocity of 20 miles per second then the traveler would have arrive at the destination 1.5 miles per second faster than Earth did. As long as the traveler keeps moving he or she would always be ahead of time curve for the aging process on Earth.

I should have said two travelers in orbit around the sun one traveling at the same velocity of Earth and the other 1.5 miles per second faster than the traveler orbiting the earth at 18.5 miles per second.

The 20.0 traveler would actually age first based on the calendar measure of time because the 20.0 traveler was traveling slighter faster than 18.5 traveler was. Over a hundred years at this rate and traveler 20.0 would have actually aged more than traveler 18.5 based on the measuring the time it takes Earth to orbit the Sun. The actual aging process however would be different for each one based on their physiological differences of how their bodies dealt with being in space.

Carl Sagan disagrees with you:
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy7rrrCQh2w[/yt]


Time dilation will cause less time to pass for the person moving at higher relative velocities than the other person.

The 20 traveler will be younger than the 18.5 traveler when the meet back up.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Apparently, a certain person thinks the future is never determined by events in the past. It wouldn't even be worth my effort trying to explain the concept of a light cone.

 

[Silvercrest]

Apparently, a certain person thinks the future is never determined by events in the past.

Apparently it's not. People have been explained the facts to him in the past and it won't affect anything he does in the future.

Paradoxical, right?

 

[Dryson]

That came directly from a physicist.

Each planet has a certain density and core activity value that determines not only its orbit around the sun in years or even months but also the time of day and night that planet faces the sun.

No. this is still incorrect on every level. Density and "core activity" have nothing to do with determining orbits.

So we don't measure time on Earth based on gravity affecting the Earth and its travel around the Sun?

Actually measuring time that the Earth takes to travel around the Sun is different than the physiological effects of gravity on the human body.

If a drunk and a non-drunk are monitored for ten years both being the same age born on the same day and same time in the same hospital the drunk will age faster

"age" is the wrong word here. The drunk is just in poorer health due to life style choices.

than the non-drunk. Is this time travel because the drunk looks older and worn out compared to the non-drunk even though both are the same age?

Nope. not time travel in any way, shape, or form

If the traveler travels 585.6 million miles an hour at the a velocity of 20 miles per second then the traveler would have arrive at the destination 1.5 miles per second faster than Earth did. As long as the traveler keeps moving he or she would always be ahead of time curve for the aging process on Earth.

I should have said two travelers in orbit around the sun one traveling at the same velocity of Earth and the other 1.5 miles per second faster than the traveler orbiting the earth at 18.5 miles per second.

The 20.0 traveler would actually age first based on the calendar measure of time because the 20.0 traveler was traveling slighter faster than 18.5 traveler was. Over a hundred years at this rate and traveler 20.0 would have actually aged more than traveler 18.5 based on the measuring the time it takes Earth to orbit the Sun. The actual aging process however would be different for each one based on their physiological differences of how their bodies dealt with being in space.

Carl Sagan disagrees with you:
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy7rrrCQh2w[/yt]


Time dilation will cause less time to pass for the person moving at higher relative velocities than the other person.

The 20 traveler will be younger than the 18.5 traveler when the meet back up.

WRONG!

Time dilation will cause less time to pass for the person moving at higher relative velocities than the other person.

The 20 traveler will be younger than the 18.5 traveler when the meet back up.

Like I said measuring time based on the calendar or the Earth orbiting the sun is different than physiological time of aging.

Because if what you are saying is true when a NASCAR driver starting out at the same speed as another NASCAR driver laps the same driver who is slower then the faster NASCAR driver then less time has passed for the faster NASCAR driver.

Time has passed for each NASCAR driver the same based on the orbit of the Earth around the Sun. Neither has aged more than then other because one was moving slower than the other.

All that took place was that the faster NASCAR driver finished the race ahead of the slower NASCAR driver.

The theories of time travel are speculation at best because until actual tests are conducted using live tissue cells then results cannot be determined.

If a person traveling at the speed of light were to orbit the sun at the speed of light the same distance that the Earth orbits the Sun which is 585 million miles at 18.5 miles per second

 

[Silvercrest]

WRONG!

Because if what you are saying is true when a NASCAR driver starting out at the same speed as another NASCAR driver laps the same driver who is slower then the faster NASCAR driver then less time has passed for the faster NASCAR driver.

Yes, that's what he's saying. And that's also what Carl Sagan is saying.

Time has passed for each NASCAR driver the same based on the orbit of the Earth around the Sun. Neither has aged more than then other because one was moving slower than the other.

All that took place was that the faster NASCAR driver finished the race ahead of the slower NASCAR driver.

Sorry, this is wrong.

If you think you know more than Carl Sagan or other real scientists, then go ahead and back it up with some facts.

 

[sojourner]

WRONG!

Time dilation will cause less time to pass for the person moving at higher relative velocities than the other person.

The 20 traveler will be younger than the 18.5 traveler when the meet back up.

Like I said measuring time based on the calendar or the Earth orbiting the sun is different than physiological time of aging.

Apples, oranges

Because if what you are saying is true when a NASCAR driver starting out at the same speed as another NASCAR driver laps the same driver who is slower then the faster NASCAR driver then less time has passed for the faster NASCAR driver.

That is precisely what Carl Sagan is saying. You actually have it right here.

Time has passed for each NASCAR driver the same based on the orbit of the Earth around the Sun. Neither has aged more than then other because one was moving slower than the other.

and now you're wrong again. Listen to Carl.

All that took place was that the faster NASCAR driver finished the race ahead of the slower NASCAR driver.

nope.

The theories of time travel are speculation at best because until actual tests are conducted using live tissue cells then results cannot be determined.

whut??? There are any number of ways to "test" without using living tissue.

If a person traveling at the speed of light were to orbit the sun at the speed of light the same distance that the Earth orbits the Sun which is 585 million miles at 18.5 miles per second

Incomplete sentence.

 

[Dryson]

That came directly from a physicist.

Each planet has a certain density and core activity value that determines not only its orbit around the sun in years or even months but also the time of day and night that planet faces the sun.

No. this is still incorrect on every level. Density and "core activity" have nothing to do with determining orbits.

So we don't measure time on Earth based on gravity affecting the Earth and its travel around the Sun?

Actually measuring time that the Earth takes to travel around the Sun is different than the physiological effects of gravity on the human body.

If a drunk and a non-drunk are monitored for ten years both being the same age born on the same day and same time in the same hospital the drunk will age faster

"age" is the wrong word here. The drunk is just in poorer health due to life style choices.

than the non-drunk. Is this time travel because the drunk looks older and worn out compared to the non-drunk even though both are the same age?

Nope. not time travel in any way, shape, or form

If the traveler travels 585.6 million miles an hour at the a velocity of 20 miles per second then the traveler would have arrive at the destination 1.5 miles per second faster than Earth did. As long as the traveler keeps moving he or she would always be ahead of time curve for the aging process on Earth.

I should have said two travelers in orbit around the sun one traveling at the same velocity of Earth and the other 1.5 miles per second faster than the traveler orbiting the earth at 18.5 miles per second.

The 20.0 traveler would actually age first based on the calendar measure of time because the 20.0 traveler was traveling slighter faster than 18.5 traveler was. Over a hundred years at this rate and traveler 20.0 would have actually aged more than traveler 18.5 based on the measuring the time it takes Earth to orbit the Sun. The actual aging process however would be different for each one based on their physiological differences of how their bodies dealt with being in space.

Carl Sagan disagrees with you:
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy7rrrCQh2w[/yt]


Time dilation will cause less time to pass for the person moving at higher relative velocities than the other person.

The 20 traveler will be younger than the 18.5 traveler when the meet back up.

Wrong.

Time dilation will cause less time to pass for the person moving at higher relative velocities than the other person.

The 20 traveler will be younger than the 18.5 traveler when the meet back up.

Like I said measuring time based on the calendar or the Earth orbiting the sun is different than physiological time of aging.

Because if what you are saying is true when a NASCAR driver starting out at the same speed as another NASCAR driver laps the same driver who is slower then the faster NASCAR driver then less time has passed for the faster NASCAR driver.

Time has passed for each NASCAR driver the same based on the orbit of the Earth around the Sun. Neither has aged more than then other because one was moving slower than the other.

All that took place was that the faster NASCAR driver finished the race ahead of the slower NASCAR driver.

The theories of time travel are speculation at best because until actual tests are conducted using live tissue cells then results cannot be determined.

A person orbiting the Sun at the same distance that the Earth does which is 585 million miles at 18.5 miles per second the person will traveled 6,660 miles in one hour.

The speed of light is equal to 6.706e+8 miles traveled per hour. This means that the person orbiting the Sun at the speed of light in the same orbit of the Earth would have orbited the Sun many thousands of times compared to the person traveling at 18.5 miles per second. Within that hour of time the person traveling the speed of light would have aged significantly based on the calendar year of the Earth orbiting the Sun. Those many thousands of times translate into many thousands of years not because the person traveling at the speed of light has actually traveled for those thousands of years but instead the fast as light traveler merely completed the orbit around the Sun at a faster rate of velocity.

The person traveling the speed of light around the Sun might have aged immensely based on calendar years but they would still be the same physiological age that they were when they left Earth.

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