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Time traveling

I am almost certain that time travel in loops is impossible, and I am deeply saddened by this. I am a time travel fan, and there would be no causality ping pong for me. Ever. :(

We haven't observed anything that requires time travel for its explanation, so the proposition is a useless complication of the universe. Furthermore, it would also be detrimental to what we have observed, because there's the grandmother of all grandfather paradoxes – if we will one day time travel, how come we didn't already prevent our own evolution from happening?

Technically, like all grandfather paradoxes, that's not really a problem – something will happen to prevent this impossible chain of events from occurring, thus there would be some bizarre limits on what could happen, but I am pretty sure that this "something" would amount to one of: 1) humans not existing; 2) time travel not possible. Since I have a suspicion 1) isn't true, I'm going for 2).

That doesn't mean that it's not an option at all, but with little to support it, it's nearly as wishful as hoping magic incantations were real. Sub-atomic processes don't count, since they do not allow for the backwards transfer of information – and backwards transfer of information is what it is all about. Some funny effects that seem to, to our limited perception of reality, propagate back in time, cannot justify something that would fundamentally alter how the macroscopic world functions.

On the other hand, I think we can cheat to allow for partial time travel to alternative timelines.

So here's a thought experiment: It should be theoretically possible to reconstruct the past (or a past if it turns out the universe is non-deterministic going backwards) on a computer, using the present as a bootstrap. Then, provided you could upload your brain to it, you could just go there. If this were to happen: Would you be able to distinguish it in any meaningful way from actually travelling there? Or, if the simulation is perfect, would the ensuing events in the simulated timeline differ from the ones after a hypothetical time travel? If the answer to either of those is no or too hard to determine, I would consider those to be the same thing. More or less.

Of course, that's impossible, because it's not only computationally intractable, but would require a prohibitively accurate and wide numerical snapshot of the present. However, it is a comfort to consider that an imprint of our past is preserved, even if can't use it in that manner, and that we can access a substantial part of it through history book produced using far less fancy methods. ;)

In a way, the past is like another universe to us, except it is within our reach in a way no other universe would ever be – we can actually observe it, and that's awesome. That's oughta be enough time travel for anybody, why can't we be ever satisfied? :p

Unanswerable mind puzzle: If humans didn't have a writing system, and somehow miraculously survived without one until the disappearance of the rest of the galaxies in our expanding universe, would future scientists be able to unequivocally predict their existence from the surviving geological and archaeological record?
 
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Oh boy, are people arguing for the existence of the Aether? This seems to happen every few years but then goes away again. Hafele and Keating were not at all surprised. They used the proper times for rotational motion relative to the inertial reference frame of the Earth in free-fall in the gravitational field of the Sun. (They used the Schwartzschild metric instead of the Kerr metric as the Earth's angular momentum is much less than the product of its mass, its radius and the speed of light.)
 
...if we will one day time travel, how come we didn't already prevent our own evolution from happening?
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What does one have to do with the other? If I were to invent a time travel method, you can be absolutely sure I won't use it to prevent humans from evolving (sorry, dinosaurs - you'll just have to be sacrificed for our species' survival).

Besides, if evolution were changed due to a time traveler's insane actions, time travel would never have been invented.
 
What does one have to do with the other? If I were to invent a time travel method, you can be absolutely sure I won't use it to prevent humans from evolving (sorry, dinosaurs - you'll just have to be sacrificed for our species' survival).
OK, we trust you. But you aren't the only person on the planet. What's to prevent one of the billion of other humans alive from going, or the trillions upon trillions humans that will be born in any future point in history, or the uncountable number of post-humans after them? As time goes forward, it becomes more and more unlikely that the time machine won't be used by less careful people.

It doesn't take much to prevent the beginning of life. I think that's one TNG writers got that right – possibly just being there ought to be enough. And my suspicion is that, given a time machine, everyone collectively from all eras will rush to the same moment to observe it. Despite it seems less exciting compared to more recent events, it will probably gather more time travellers than the killing Hitler party.

Besides, if evolution were changed due to a time traveler's insane actions, time travel would never have been invented.
Yes. That was my point. ;)
 
Time travel is not possible first off. Its science fiction written with very elegant formula's.

You can't travel into the future because the future has not been written yet. The future is a not a defined path unless is designed by humanity. There is no set course of future.

That's why when you look at six billion all at once on Earth traveling around its like their metaphysics is trapped around a black hole that is always pulling them into the center of the black hole of the past.

But if you were able to travel back in time you still wouldn't change the original time line that you came from. You would simply create a new time line that would parallel the old and then branch off where the event took place that changed the original time line to the new time line.

Let's take for example a world event that changed everything.

The bombing of Pearl Harbor during WWII.

If we were to go back and provide evidence that a large number of Japanese planes would be striking Pearl on Dec. 7th and the admiralty accepted the information and was ready for the Japanese attack and actually defeated them or at least pushed them back the entire time line from Dec. 7th would change to a new reality as it Y off from the original timeline. The original timeline would still be present with Pear Harbor still being attacked and the events afterwards taking place.

With the new reality events and actions would change dramatically. But what if this took place.

In the original time line a man and a woman meet at a coffee house on Pearl Island that is outside of the range of the time change effect by several miles. This means regardless of which time line you are in they both would meet at the same coffee house and have coffee where they discussed what they did in the original time line. Eventually the two get married and have children and are un-effected by the time line shift in either reality because for some reason the events in their lives are not impacted upon by the attacks or repulsion of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Would both the parents and kids actually be able to see both time lines as their presence would cause a curve in the time line change between the two shifts in time to merge at point because of them?
 
In terms of backward time travel, I prefer the LOST method. "Whatever happened happened." You can't change events. You can't create alternate universes. If you travel back in time, it means you ALWAYS traveled back in time and were always a part of events.
 
Here's a problem I've always had with time travel that I rarely if ever see brought up. Time travel, as depicted in literature, creates and destroys matter and energy. If I go back in time a day, there are now two of me. The same matter and energy that makes up me, not just a copy, but the same matter and energy. Now say a day later, I do it again. Now there are four of me. Again the same matter and energy.

The dogma is that matter and energy can't be created or destroyed, but time travel completely violates that. Of course I realize that time travel is the more difficult problem, and if we're going to go so far as to say that's possible, it's a small thing to ignore the creation/destruction of matter/energy. Nevertheless, to me at least, it raises an interesting question. Could you manufacture goods simply by making one and replicating it by time travel? Could you solve energy problems by sending fuel back in time over and over? Could you effectively get rid of things by simply sending them billions of years into the future?
 
I can't stand time travel episodes anymore... only exception would TNG and 'All Good Things...', those time travel things could just be Q's tricks with hallucinations or brain implants or something. :) Who knows, maybe they're all asleep and being "matrixed".
 
Time travel is literal and nothing more. Its part of Quantum Eraser and Devaju where people say something exactly as they did n the past where they believe that people will flash back to those events and then return to normal time thus proving to the person that they can control time.

Such people have serious mental health issues.
 
Word salad.

That's what time travel is word salad looping back on itself just like you have proven time and time again Quacky McStuck.

I did have a question regarding Interstellar though. When the second crew lands on the tidal wave planet and find out that the one explorer had one died a few moments ago would her distress beacon have determined that she had crashed on a few moments earlier?
 
That's what time travel is word salad looping back on itself just like you have proven time and time again Quacky McStuck.
Make cognizant posts and you'll get cognizant replies.

A two word response is hardly reminiscent of anything close to being a cognizant reply but hey you get an apple in the kettle for trying.
As I said, you have to make a cognizant post to reply to.
 
I did have a question regarding Interstellar though. When the second crew lands on the tidal wave planet and find out that the one explorer had one died a few moments ago would her distress beacon have determined that she had crashed on a few moments earlier?

Interstellar had quite a few credibility problems for me. The one you quote was only one of them. The signal from the beacon would have been severely red shifted and they should have easily been able to work out the time dilation even if the signal did not include a time stamp. I doubt that they would have been able to get out of so deep in the gravity well of the black hole using chemical rockets but that's only my suspicion. I'm not motivated enough to check. There are plenty of web sites out there that critique such aspects of the science. for example http://mashable.com/2014/11/08/science-of-interstellar/#sl.02WrnLaqx

The film did make a good effort in some areas, such as the depiction of the gravitational lensing of the accretion disk, but it fell down in others such as the radiation environment would likely kill them in short order. It was still enjoyable as it did try to get things at least approximately correct.
 
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