Time Travel question...

[Jedi Marso]

Side note: Has anyone ever watched Somewhere in Time and noticed that the pocket watch is a paradox? It's an uncreated closed loop: Jane Seymour gives it to Christopher Reeve in the 70's, then it goes back with him and he ends up leaving it with her in the earlier era. That watch doesn't actually come from anywhere, it just is.

 

[E-DUB]

Side note: Has anyone ever watched Somewhere in Time and noticed that the pocket watch is a paradox? It's an uncreated closed loop: Jane Seymour gives it to Christopher Reeve in the 70's, then it goes back with him and he ends up leaving it with her in the earlier era. That watch doesn't actually come from anywhere, it just is.

It came from the same place as Kirk's glasses, Lyle Swan's pendant and Chuck Berry's entire catalog.

We have , in the OP, initially presented the "Seven Days" scenario. Time traveler goes back prevents disaster, doesn't return to the future. (Earlier self conveniently disappears, conveniently while nobody is looking right at him.)

Similar is the movie "Deja Vu" although in that one the traveler dies, having prevented the disaster, leaving an earlier self who is ignorant of the whole deal.

When it comes to time travel we have a real shortage of experimental data. So you pays your money, you makes your choice.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It came from the same place as Kirk's glasses, Lyle Swan's pendant and Chuck Berry's entire catalog.

We have , in the OP, initially presented the "Seven Days" scenario. Time traveler goes back prevents disaster, doesn't return to the future. (Earlier self conveniently disappears, conveniently while nobody is looking right at him.)

Similar is the movie "Deja Vu" although in that one the traveler dies, having prevented the disaster, leaving an earlier self who is ignorant of the whole deal.

When it comes to time travel we have a real shortage of experimental data. So you pays your money, you makes your choice.

They have a limited amount of Roswell fuel for the sphere, but after they go back in time, retroactively they never used their alien time fuel, so they can't run out.

 

[Jedi Marso]

It came from the same place as Kirk's glasses, Lyle Swan's pendant and Chuck Berry's entire catalog.

I can't speak to the others, but there is no reason to believe Kirk's spectacles are a paradox. Nothing states that the shop he sold them to was the same one Bones obtained them from, or that they are any sort of close loop. At worst, those spectacles experienced the intervening centuries twice.

At least, as far as I remember.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Similar is the movie "Deja Vu" although in that one the traveler dies, having prevented the disaster, leaving an earlier self who is ignorant of the whole deal.

I love this movie but it always bugged me a bit that near the very start of the movie I got the impression he had already time traveled, or at least another version of him since those letters on the Fridge had been rearranged, or something. That's the impression I got because I thought someone had messed with them.

Also with Seven Days Why does the Frank Parker of the past vanish when the other one reappears?

My favorite is the Outer Limits episode "Tribunal".

There is a lot of time travel in this episode, but it's all part of a greater whole. Nothing is ever changed, and everything unfolds like it's destined to. A closed loop, as it were.

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I loved this episode too.. But there's a few in The Outer Limits including that woman that goes crazy using time travel to execute people for crimes they have not committed yet.

 

[JD]

I can't speak to the others, but there is no reason to believe Kirk's spectacles are a paradox. Nothing states that the shop he sold them to was the same one Bones obtained them from, or that they are any sort of close loop. At worst, those spectacles experienced the intervening centuries twice.

At least, as far as I remember.

It never occurred to me that the glasses were any kind of closed loop. I would have just assumed if they made it to the 23rd century without being destroyed, then they would have just been a duplicate pair out there somewhere while Kirk got the original pair.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

It's a curious question would antique stores exist in the future 23rd century? How do you take items from the store if there is no money can't you just walk in and take what you want? You know same old tired argument.

 

[Jedi Marso]

It's a curious question would antique stores exist in the future 23rd century? How do you take items from the store if there is no money can't you just walk in and take what you want? You know same old tired argument.

Yep. No economics in the future, except we all see how it doesn't actually work.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I love this movie but it always bugged me a bit that near the very start of the movie I got the impression he had already time traveled, or at least another version of him since those letters on the Fridge had been rearranged, or something. That's the impression I got because I thought someone had messed with them.

Also with Seven Days Why does the Frank Parker of the past vanish when the other one reappears?




I loved this episode too.. But there's a few in The Outer Limits including that woman that goes crazy using time travel to execute people for crimes they have not committed yet.

During the dirge of 7 seasons, Outer limits has five or six time travel episodes, that as time goes by, the producers take the care to voltron everything together into one over lapping out of order story.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's a curious question would antique stores exist in the future 23rd century? How do you take items from the store if there is no money can't you just walk in and take what you want? You know same old tired argument.

Humans don't own shit.

Earth assigns who is allowed to borrow what from the commonality for forever so long, which sounds like a contract, and breaking a contract is why the fuzz knocks down your door and drags you off to have both your balls connected to a car battery.

Serious answer...

Aliens have real shops.

Humans probably have barter and swapmeets.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The very concept of a shop on Earth in Star Trek makes no sense unless it is someone outside of the Federation. On Earth everything within reason should be free.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The very concept of a shop on Earth in Star Trek makes no sense unless it is someone outside of the Federation. On Earth everything within reason should be free.

heritage museums.

Joe Sisko isn't a chef as much as he is a Docent or a Curator.

Maybe performance art?

But I have seriously considered if the Picards and Siskos are clones servicing as museum exhibits.

Why else would Jean-Luc's nephew Rene and Young Jean-Luc be identical? (Same actors)

 

[Guy Gardener]

The very concept of a shop on Earth in Star Trek makes no sense unless it is someone outside of the Federation. On Earth everything within reason should be free.

Everyone has a replicator, and no power bill.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Everyone has a replicator, and no power bill.

No money so of course they do not have power bills.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

During the dirge of 7 seasons, Outer limits has five or six time travel episodes, that as time goes by, the producers take the care to voltron everything together into one over lapping out of order story.

Sometimes when they do those "clip shows", though, they cut out bits that totally change the plot.

Like "Final Appeal", a sort of semi-sequel to "A Stitch In Time". Theresa Givens is put on trial for her use of time travel, and clips from "Stitch" are heavily used. However all mentions of Michelle Forbes' character (the FBI agent) are cut. So in the "Final Appeal" version, Agent Jamie Pratt apparently doesn't exist.

Also, "Tribunal" (my favorite episode) has several sequels, but some of them use a different continuity.

 

[Owain Taggart]

During the dirge of 7 seasons, Outer limits has five or six time travel episodes, that as time goes by, the producers take the care to voltron everything together into one over lapping out of order story.

Ugh, I hated those. I consider them to be among the worst of clip shows out of any show. You could tell they were running out of ideas when they started doing them by trying to tie everything together.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ugh, I hated those. I consider them to be among the worst of clip shows out of any show. You could tell they were running out of ideas when they started doing them by trying to tie everything together.

Not the clip shows.

6 noncontiguous episodes. (Could have been 5?)

Over lapping time zones and characters splattered throughout many different seasons.

So yes there were sometimes clips bridging the episodes, but each episode was it's own story.

I am aware of the clip shows where they bound the universe together.

But this was a different animal.

This is the episode key I made years ago.

512, 605, 613, 617, 621, 702, 715.

Which I made by searching the wiki page for the word "time"

 

[Owain Taggart]

^ Sitll had the overall effect of feeling like a clip show with new footage bridging it. Only made it feel like they were reaching to connect everything.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Is there any reason to think Bones didn't replicate Kirk's birthday gift of the spectacles? (Aside from an oblique reference to his fondness for antiques, but that doesn't mean they weren't replicated, just a case of form following function.)

 

[aquova]

I've seen a few different versions of how time travel impacts the traveler.

1. Upon changing the past, the traveler ends up in an alternate timeline of the future. Back to the Future is the most famous example, although they fudge it further by having Marty just... replace his doppleganger everytime he returns to 1985.

2. The traveler is unable to change anything in the past. The past is already written, and anything they do in the past was already a part of the history they lived in. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban does this.

3. No media really shows this, but by traveling back in time and changing the past, you would create a paradox in which you had no motivation to travel back in time, so you don't. But since you didn't go back in time, the original event again happened so you now have the motivation to go back in time, etc. Media doesn't really show this, as getting a character stuck in a paradox isn't exactly interesting television.