Time Travel and its consequences
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Janeway got her time travel device from the Klingons, didn't she?
Now that you mention it. You mean Admiral Janeway from another timeline. If the Klingon Imperial Intelligence has its hands in it, they are very unlikely to speak about it in public. And everyone who knows too much......
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No.
Well, I think technically Admiral Janeway was from the original timeline.
She changed it by going back.
I completely forgot about this novel. Have to read it again. I used to love it when I was a kid.
No. The Guardian's mentioned, but the Klingons used a special transport traveling through an interstellar dust cloud at the same time as a white dwarf to send them back to the 19th century via a "time slip". I assume it's like a slingshot maneuver but with exotic properties.
So that's a pretty smart group of Klingons compared to most iterations.
She picked it up in Las Vegas.
Vance Armstrong was playing on Voyager Endgame the same Time travelling Klingon that he played in the Vegas Star Trek Experience.
Synergy.
Although it did take me 16 years to notice.
Vance could have alternatively played the Time travelling Romulan from Season one Voyager he had been 7 years earlier, as a book end, or/and Armstrong had (probably?) already have been cast as Admiral Forrest at that point, so they could have used him to prime the new series "Enterprise" as a flirty tease.
Selling tickets in Vegas was decided to be more important, than continuity or Enterprise.
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I don‘t buy Q as Trump.
Q has better morals and a conscience.
Time travel to the past or future, so 60s, give me the Nexus anyday of the week, just fly into it and bam, time stops, you can travel to any time period and your dreams and wishes become reality, like a big time traveling Genie, but just make sure no one follows you in and drags you back out again, sorted.....now, lets see their faces when they open up a Xbox one on a Victorian xmas morning. Ha
And just make sure you don't meet your younger or your older self. He/She could be shocked into unconsciousness like Marty McFly's girl friend.
You missed "endless threads about what's the prime universe"
I think there is a novel with the Klingons on The Guardian's planet though isn't there? 
JB
JB
I've been kicking around a possible time travel scenario from TOS. "Tomorrow is Yesterday (TIY)": Enterprise trips over a dark star and time travels back to 1968-9 Earth. Enterprise travels forward in time to "return" to their time:
I get the feeling that the Enterprise was a little slow in braking to hit their time mark. At the rate the years were flying by, any delay in stopping would have the Enterprise overshoot its time mark. I think this is precisely what occurred. Starfleet is ready(eggar?) to a broadcast a general message that suggests they have been looking for the missing Enterprise. To them, they just vanished. This suggests that the Enterprise didn't fall short of its time mark, rather somewhat latter. Kirk only exclaims, "the Enterprise is home" which suggests to Starfleet's point of view, the Enterprise has been gone for some time. If they overshot to say, stardate 4400 (they were shooting for ~3113), then I can see a new series of events happening.
First, controlled time travel could be a galaxy changing weapon. Starfleet Intelligence would immediately hide the Enterprise and crew away to prevent any word of this time travel technology leaking out. It would be put under the highest top secret classification they have. If there is a Section 31, they would get the job. After analyzing the data, they (especially Spock) would be able to quickly formulate the time travel variables to make it more precise.
Starfleet Intelligence (Section 31?) has been strongly bothered about aliens tampering with Earth's past starting around 1969 and continuing for several decades after that. Now, Starfleet has a tool to investigate this problem (events in "Assignment: Earth" and Gary Seven). They even have a ship and crew sitting around doing nothing. Starfleet decides they can knock off two birds with one stone, 1) send the Enterprise back in time to the point when the alien interference began, investigate, then 2) return to their original time line back in 3113. They have been ordered to keep the time travel event a secret, so, once back at Starfleet Headquarters, Kirk can report on the mission and on the time travel technology in secret to Starfleet Intelligence (Section 31). Ship's records have been erased/altered by Spock (he probably had time to reprogram the ship's pesky computer). Kirk and crew take a vow of complete secrecy (under penalty of death). They then proceed on their mission as if nothing ever happened (just like most episodes).
SPOCK: Approaching our century, Captain. Braking should begin now.
KIRK: Bridge to engineering. Begin full braking power.
SCOTT: Pulling away from the sun weakened them, sir. They may blow apart if I reverse.
KIRK: No choice, Mister Scott.
SCOTT: Aye, sir.
SPOCK: Fifty years to go.
SULU: Engines cutting back, sir. No decrease in speed.
SPOCK: Forty, thirty.
KIRK: Never mind, Mister Spock.
(Once again, everyone gets thrown around)
SULU: The engines!
SCOTT: Engine room to Bridge. Engines are on full reverse. They're buckling! Bridge!
(Things return to normal)
KIRK: Mister Scott is still with us.
UHURA: Captain.
STARFLEET [OC]: Starfleet Control calling Enterprise. Come in, Enterprise.
KIRK: Open a channel, Uhura.
UHURA: Frequency open, sir.
KIRK: Starfleet Control, this is the Enterprise. Captain Kirk speaking.
COMPUTER: Record ship arrival, dear.
STARFLEET [OC]: Enterprise, this is Starfleet Control. Come in, please.
KIRK: Starfleet Control, repeating message. The Enterprise is home. Kirk out.
KIRK: Bridge to engineering. Begin full braking power.
SCOTT: Pulling away from the sun weakened them, sir. They may blow apart if I reverse.
KIRK: No choice, Mister Scott.
SCOTT: Aye, sir.
SPOCK: Fifty years to go.
SULU: Engines cutting back, sir. No decrease in speed.
SPOCK: Forty, thirty.
KIRK: Never mind, Mister Spock.
(Once again, everyone gets thrown around)
SULU: The engines!
SCOTT: Engine room to Bridge. Engines are on full reverse. They're buckling! Bridge!
(Things return to normal)
KIRK: Mister Scott is still with us.
UHURA: Captain.
STARFLEET [OC]: Starfleet Control calling Enterprise. Come in, Enterprise.
KIRK: Open a channel, Uhura.
UHURA: Frequency open, sir.
KIRK: Starfleet Control, this is the Enterprise. Captain Kirk speaking.
COMPUTER: Record ship arrival, dear.
STARFLEET [OC]: Enterprise, this is Starfleet Control. Come in, please.
KIRK: Starfleet Control, repeating message. The Enterprise is home. Kirk out.
I get the feeling that the Enterprise was a little slow in braking to hit their time mark. At the rate the years were flying by, any delay in stopping would have the Enterprise overshoot its time mark. I think this is precisely what occurred. Starfleet is ready(eggar?) to a broadcast a general message that suggests they have been looking for the missing Enterprise. To them, they just vanished. This suggests that the Enterprise didn't fall short of its time mark, rather somewhat latter. Kirk only exclaims, "the Enterprise is home" which suggests to Starfleet's point of view, the Enterprise has been gone for some time. If they overshot to say, stardate 4400 (they were shooting for ~3113), then I can see a new series of events happening.
First, controlled time travel could be a galaxy changing weapon. Starfleet Intelligence would immediately hide the Enterprise and crew away to prevent any word of this time travel technology leaking out. It would be put under the highest top secret classification they have. If there is a Section 31, they would get the job. After analyzing the data, they (especially Spock) would be able to quickly formulate the time travel variables to make it more precise.
Starfleet Intelligence (Section 31?) has been strongly bothered about aliens tampering with Earth's past starting around 1969 and continuing for several decades after that. Now, Starfleet has a tool to investigate this problem (events in "Assignment: Earth" and Gary Seven). They even have a ship and crew sitting around doing nothing. Starfleet decides they can knock off two birds with one stone, 1) send the Enterprise back in time to the point when the alien interference began, investigate, then 2) return to their original time line back in 3113. They have been ordered to keep the time travel event a secret, so, once back at Starfleet Headquarters, Kirk can report on the mission and on the time travel technology in secret to Starfleet Intelligence (Section 31). Ship's records have been erased/altered by Spock (he probably had time to reprogram the ship's pesky computer). Kirk and crew take a vow of complete secrecy (under penalty of death). They then proceed on their mission as if nothing ever happened (just like most episodes).
Q isn’t creative enough to come up with Trump.
So Starfleet command orders the Enterprise...to erase that version of themselves from the timeline? And then report events to resultant "new" version of Starfleet command?
Did I miss something?
And a fan filmI think there is a novel with the Klingons on The Guardian's planet though isn't there?
JB
I guess it did wipe out the first run events with no Enterprise from stardates ~3114 to ~4400 from the Federation's perceptive, and when the Enterprise comes up on the period when they should appear from time travel, nothing happens. It's an one time pass through. They then proceed onto their mission as if nothing happened (just like most episodes).So Starfleet command orders the Enterprise...to erase that version of themselves from the timeline? And then report events to resultant "new" version of Starfleet command?
Did I miss something?
That's why time travel is best avoided if possible. The crew of the Enterprise doesn't loose anything. Assuming there is a Starfleet Intelligence Org. like Section 31 (I think Spock has always been an agent), they could load on a memory chip the history from this period (~3114 to ~4400), send it back with the Enterprise, then after the Enterprise returns back ~3114, use the data to reshape the timeline to be favorable to the Federation. They could order Starships to be conveniently near some bad event to change the outcome. How many 50-50 chances can you win in a row? Kirk's success rate is 79 for 79. Wow, that's good luck! (Or is it?)
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