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Time to update Trek history- (warp) field drive coming soon?

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http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4385&st=2760

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This may be of interest. An article Why Spacetime on the Tiniest Scale May Be Two-Dimensional by Steve Carlip discusses how spacetime on the tiniest scale may be two dimensional. If only two dimensions are present on this scale, which two are they? Carlip calculates that they must be one of time and one of space.
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Nice find. An interesting progression from their August 2009 paper. As in the 2010 AIP paper it still advocates for phase change coupling of imaginary electrons to bosons (similar to but different from Cooper pair coupling).

Now there are two neutral gravitophotons. ν01gp and ν02gp each with its own decay channel. Greater emphasis on differentiating between :

The Tajmar effect -
  • field generation is gravitoelectric
  • second neutral gravitophoton
  • decays to graviton and quintessence
  • circumferential force (in plane of ring)
  • during acceleration
and,
The Heim effect -
  • field generation is gravitomagnetic
  • first neutral gravitophoton
  • decays to ± gravitophotons
  • axial force
  • during constant angular velocity
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larryman said:
CuttingEdge100 said:
This EHT (Extended Heim Theory) does not produce 'warped' space. It does not compress space-time ahead, and expand space-time behind - like the Miguel Alcubierre's warp drive. This EHT drive function would be used to produce an anti-gravity force, and open 'hyperspace' for FTL travel. This theory is more applicable to a flying saucer drive, than to a Star Trek drive. Think: Metaluna, C-57D, Jupiter 2, etc. - saucers. That's my understanding of it. And the OP should not have included the 'warp' term in the thread title.
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That's why I put the "warp" in parenthesis ;)

I suspect as Heim theory progresses, it will be a matter of semantics- perhaps the "warping" occurs on the Planck/metron scale vs the bulk of spacetime around the ship.

though it appears at first glance that the Star Wars weenies "won"- hyperspace it is ;)

I guess we could ask the mods to change the thread title from "(warp) field drive" to "FTL field drive".
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Jesus.. now i feel really dumb because i didn't understand half the science that goes into these concepts/devices/whatever.

I wasn't borne in 69 when man stepped on the moon but i so hope i'll be around when the first human interstellar spaceship is launched.. i don't care if i can get into orbit or even travel to a distant system but seeing this with my own eyes would be a dream come true.

I just hope we get there during the next 30-40 years and if it is possible i wholeheartedly believe that most governments around the world will pool ressources to make it happen dwarfing the efforts of the United States to put a man on the moon in a mere decade.

Exciting times.. and they better give the drive a cool name!
 
Burkhard Heim Wikipedia page-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkhard_Heim

His disabilities and brilliance have led Illobrand von Ludwiger,[1] the physicist and pioneer in satellite control systems, to dub him "the German Hawking "
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and Heim Theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_theory

Heim theory is an emerging physics theory, initially proposed by a German Physicist, Dr. Burkhard Heim.[1] Heim theory's six dimensional model was later extended to eight and twelve dimensions, in collaboration with W. Dröscher.[2][3][4] Walter Dröscher and Jochem Häuser have attempted to apply it to nonconventional space propulsion and faster than light concepts, as well as the origin of dark matter.[4][5]
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Re: "Bexley Experiment"- I wasn't aware of this either.

A quick Google search turned up

Craig Kramer's Classes at Bexley High get to see proto-warp drive tech in action and learn of advanced concept research linked to Einstein's Unified Field Theory.

http://www.1888pressrelease.com/bex...1st-peek-at-warp-drive-tech-pr-uy9341t6z.html

which appears to be a "fringe" news type site.

...which of course is the issue with anything related to gravity-like force generation and control or serious talk of FTL drive methods. It tends to attract new-age "wacko" types and those with less formal engineering/science backgrounds, even though there is bona fide hard data like the Tajmar/NZ results and subsequent papers from sources cited here.

You have to sift the wheat from the chaff and draw your own conclusions...
 
rgb1701 said:
Burkhard Heim Wikipedia page-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkhard_Heim

His disabilities and brilliance have led Illobrand von Ludwiger,[1] the physicist and pioneer in satellite control systems, to dub him "the German Hawking "
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and Heim Theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_theory

Heim theory is an emerging physics theory, initially proposed by a German Physicist, Dr. Burkhard Heim.[1] Heim theory's six dimensional model was later extended to eight and twelve dimensions, in collaboration with W. Dröscher.[2][3][4] Walter Dröscher and Jochem Häuser have attempted to apply it to nonconventional space propulsion and faster than light concepts, as well as the origin of dark matter.[4][5]
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Figures.. the car was invented in Germany, the first bicycle was invented here so by all acounts Germany should also be responsible to lay the foundations for interstellar travel.

Made in Germany indeed :biggrin:;)
 
What I like about Heim Theory-

- The Universe we know began with a "Big Burp" or "Big Fizz", as the metron size shrank to appropriate size/parameters for matter to "pop" into existence vs a Big Bang from a singularity. I never thought that having all of the known Universe condensed into a point ever made sense. According to Heim, the Universe was smaller in the "beginning", but still a substantial fraction of the current size vs a singularity.

- Heim posits only the 3 spatial dimensions we experience, plus time and two entropy and two information "dimensions" (in the math sense, not spatial) for 8 dimensions total, though the entropy and information dimensions are more parameters in the scope of the math of his theory, IMO. As you go down to quantum scales (i.e Planck length) per Heim , you *lose* spatial dimension(s), not *gain* them like (Silly) String Theory. The entropy and information dimensions (parameters) and fewer spatial dimensions at small scales appears to make more intuitive sense to me- no "curled up" spatial dimensions or other places where angels dance on the head of pins ;)

- I think what Tajmar measured may be an expression of Heim's gravitophotons, which produce a force that appears gravity-like, but may be distinct and different from the gravity field produced by large masses like the Earth- IMHO.
 
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Garrett Lisi on his theory of everything

http://www.ted.com/talks/garrett_lisi_on_his_theory_of_everything.html

Physicist and surfer Garrett Lisi presents a controversial new model of the universe that -- just maybe -- answers all the big questions. If nothing else, it's the most beautiful 8-dimensional model of elementary particles and forces you've ever seen.
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Emphasis mine.

Lisi: 8 dimensions and geometry is fundamental to particle theory.
Heim: 8 dimensions and geometry is fundamental to particle theory.
Both outside the research/Academia "Establishment"

Call me stupid, but maybe there's a pattern... :D


An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Exceptionally_Simple_Theory_of_Everything

I suspect the Universe adhere's to the KISS principle ;)

BIO-

Antony Garrett Lisi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Garrett_Lisi#cite_note-cosmicvariance-6

I got my PhD and looked at my options. I love differential geometry, general relativity, and particle physics. But the only options available then for a postdoc in those combined areas were in string theory, and I thought string theory was overly speculative. There are many really impressive aspects of strings — anomaly cancelation in particular — but there are other things that just seem wild and physically unsubstantiated.
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If you were imaginative, you might dream that the generation of an artificial gravity-like field is at least one of the major milestones to First Contact (official, public, diplomatic contact), a la Cochrane and the Vulcans detecting the warp signature of the first Trek warp flight.

Further, you might dream that a recent increase in activity worldwide

http://abcnews.go.com/International/fresh-report-ufo-chinas-skies/story?id=11814100

http://abcnews.go.com/International/ufo-china-closes-airport-prompts-investigation/story?id=11159531

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/09/30/mystery-ufo-sighting-montreal.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS166901+15-Sep-2010+PRN20100915

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/24/chicago-ohare-ufo-leslie-_n_692515.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw_DNHEvwck

http://mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/manage_sighting_reports.pl?mode=latest_reports

might not be such a coincidence.

...if you were imaginative.

;)
 
Another interesting paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.5445v2

Gravity from Quantum Information
Authors: Jae-Weon Lee, Hyeong-Chan Kim, Jungjai Lee
(Submitted on 29 Jan 2010 (v1), last revised 21 Mar 2010 (this version, v2))
Abstract: It is suggested that classical Einstein gravity can be derived by using the Landauer's principle applied to an information erasure at causal horizons and Jacobson's idea linking the Einstein equation to thermodynamics. Our result implies that gravity has a quantum informational origin.
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...Heim's information coordinates or dimensions?
 
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WOW! Just WOW!!! :techman:

I got a bit of brain cramp reading this thread, but WOW!!!

Even if we never get genuine FTL starflight if we could get artificial gravity and fast relativistic starflight it would be a serious advancement.

On another front, though, I find this encouraging because a story I'm writing uses antigravity as propulsion. I got the nugget of the idea from a couple of articles written years ago (separately) by Robert Forward and Arthur C. Clarke. Glad to see some genuine research and experimentation to add some weight to the idea.
 
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