Tim Russ says people actively pitching a new Series

[Temis the Vorta]

It was what it was because Lucas wanted it to be that way. Not my fault if nobody got it, just pointing out what it was people should have got.

Lucas wanted the PT to suck, okay. And I do believe that people did fully understand that. The suckitude of the PT is the worst kept secret in sci fi fandom.

Keep in mind that The Clone Wars is filling in the blanks between the prequel films, and is meant to compliment them, not show how crappy they are.

That may not be the intent, but TCW is showing how crappy they were (is proof actually required? ) by filling in elements that would have made the PT a better story the first time around, so that everyone who hated the PT but could not fully articulate the reasons why (Anakin sux, the dialogue sux, George Lucas sux!!!!) now have a much more coherent basis for their bashing. Downright gentlemanly of Lucasfilm!

Took me a while to work out it wasn't the Temporal Cold War, you guys were talkin' about!

The Clone Wars? LOL! What the hell is that?

[Mirror Archer] "I think you're confusing our universe with someone else's."

Thank you for reminding us that Star Trek can suck just as badly as Star Wars ever did.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

btw can't the PT and TCW both be great?

Nope.

Once again...only according to you.

Him, me, and the rest of the planet. If you actually liked the PT, you are waaaaay in the minority there. I have never met a single person in RL who has anything nice to say about it. Well, except for the music, who doesn't like the music?

 

[JarodRussell]

Nope.

Once again...only according to you.

Him, me, and the rest of the planet. If you actually liked the PT, you are waaaaay in the minority there. I have never met a single person in RL who has anything nice to say about it. Well, except for the music, who doesn't like the music?

I don't like the music.

But were this a thread about Star Trek 2009, somebody would cite box office (which is 924 million for TPM, 649 million for AOTC, and 848 million for ROTS) and then say "The majority disagrees with you."

Speaking of which (and by which I mean Star Trek), how did a thread about Tim Russ saying that people are actively pitching a new Star Trek series turn into yet another Star Wars prequel dick contest?

 

[Dukhat]

Speaking of which (and by which I mean Star Trek), how did a thread about Tim Russ saying that people are actively pitching a new Star Trek series turn into yet another Star Wars prequel dick contest?

Uh, because things like that tend to happen when there's 13 pages of thread responses?

 

[Dusty Ayres]

Nope.

Once again...only according to you.

Him, me, and the rest of the planet. If you actually liked the PT, you are waaaaay in the minority there. I have never met a single person in RL who has anything nice to say about it. Well, except for the music, who doesn't like the music?

The 'minority' of people who didn't like the PT is minuscule compared to the majority the loved it enough to see it a dozen times and make the PT a big box office success. To a producer and a director, that's all that matters.

 

[Guartho]

Oh, the Clone Wars don't suck? I might have to check them out. By the time they came out I was just sort of assuming I'd be disappointed and no longer bothering.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

In real life I've rarely met anyone who had a stronger opinion about a Star Wars movie than "I liked that one" or "I'm not really into Star Wars" - a couple of years after that kind of movie is released, no one talks about it much at all and most can't tell them apart by titles.

 

[Winterwind]

Quite true. I've never met a Star Wars fan that was as passionate as ST and DW fans. For myself, I saw the original trilogy as a kid, liked it, remember them quite well and haven't seen them since. I haven't seen the prequels at all and had to strain to recall what the acronyms stood for as far as the titles go.

 

[RAMA]

The likely candidates who pitched a series according to Jonathan Frakes...Bryan Singer, William SHatner, and himself..

http://trekmovie.com/2011/04/07/jon...ar-trek-previews-of-his-upcoming-tv-projects/

RAMA

 

[AviTrek]

The likely candidates who pitched a series according to Jonathan Frakes...Bryan Singer, William SHatner, and himself..

http://trekmovie.com/2011/04/07/jon...ar-trek-previews-of-his-upcoming-tv-projects/

RAMA

What's even more interesting is that he talks about CBS Paramount in one breath like it's still one company. It's possible that there is more coordination between the two than we thought. It sounds like we really may need to wait for the Abrams movies to play out before we see Trek back on TV.

 

[Titan Designer]

The likely candidates who pitched a series according to Jonathan Frakes...Bryan Singer, William SHatner, and himself..

http://trekmovie.com/2011/04/07/jon...ar-trek-previews-of-his-upcoming-tv-projects/

RAMA

I know a long list of Trek actors getting turned down.

Sean

 

[Titan Designer]

Oh, the Clone Wars don't suck? I might have to check them out. By the time they came out I was just sort of assuming I'd be disappointed and no longer bothering.

The Clone Wars wasn't all that great during the first season, but ever since they introduced the Bounty Hunters in season 2 I have been hooked.

 

[Tom]

The likely candidates who pitched a series according to Jonathan Frakes...Bryan Singer, William SHatner, and himself..

http://trekmovie.com/2011/04/07/jon...ar-trek-previews-of-his-upcoming-tv-projects/

RAMA

And a few more than that. Thing is, the public will never know about some of them. The good thing is that people are still trying to pitch Star Trek, so CBS will, at least, see that Star Trek on TV is not a dead prospect, they are just not ready for it right now.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Once again...only according to you.

Him, me, and the rest of the planet. If you actually liked the PT, you are waaaaay in the minority there. I have never met a single person in RL who has anything nice to say about it. Well, except for the music, who doesn't like the music?

The 'minority' of people who didn't like the PT is minuscule compared to the majority the loved it enough to see it a dozen times and make the PT a big box office success. To a producer and a director, that's all that matters.

There are tons of people who will go see a big, colorful action movie and forget about it the minute they leave the theater. Box office tells you nothing about how much anyone cares about any given movie. Heck, even I paid to see each of the PT, once. It was worth it if only for the music.

In RL, hardly anybody I talk to cares about Star Wars. On the internets is where you see the groundswell of hatred for the PT. It's pretty pervasive, I'm surprised you haven't encountered it. I guess selective attention works wonders.

Oh, the Clone Wars don't suck? I might have to check them out. By the time they came out I was just sort of assuming I'd be disappointed and no longer bothering.

Yeah, I was skeptical at first, too. I figured that George Lucas would never produce anything but garbage from now on, but having competent collaborators seems to have turned things around. The Clone Wars is basically the PT done right.

And that comment is exactly what I mean - there's a baseline assumption that "anything to do with Star Wars sucks," that did not exist before the PT. This is probably the tenth time that I've told someone "don't judge The Clone Wars by the PT." Lucas should pay me a salary for all the work I've done, undoing the damage he's done to his own brand.

 

[Distorted Humor]

Star Trek due to the changing market of TV is down to this.

Movies

Or if CBS has a cable channel that needs a flagship show. Trek is just not a good mix for broadcast TV anymore.

 

[C.E. Evans]

...there's a baseline assumption that "anything to do with Star Wars sucks," that did not exist before the PT.

*Cough* 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special *Cough*

The first major disturbance in the Force was felt that far back. If it hadn't been for Empire Strikes Back...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

...there's a baseline assumption that "anything to do with Star Wars sucks," that did not exist before the PT.

*Cough* 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special *Cough*

And how did that produce "a baseline assumption that anything to do with Star Wars sucks" back in the 1970s and 1980s?

Oh, right - it didn't.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

...there's a baseline assumption that "anything to do with Star Wars sucks," that did not exist before the PT.

*Cough* 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special *Cough*

I'd say that was more "Star Wars is culturally irrelevant." That was the status quo between ROTJ and TPM. Then TPM's debut raised the possibility of a return to cultural relevance, but its suckitude simply caused cultural confusion which quickly degenerated into widespread hostility, which was compounded by the even greater suckitude of AOTC. Now Star Wars is widely seen as "for kids and insane fans who will watch any crap Lucas produces." Sadly, I'm neither, which puts me in a very odd position vis a vis TCW.

 

[C.E. Evans]

...there's a baseline assumption that "anything to do with Star Wars sucks," that did not exist before the PT.

*Cough* 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special *Cough*

And how did that produce "a baseline assumption that anything to do with Star Wars sucks" back in the 1970s and 1980s?

Oh, right - it didn't.

Eh? Thought I heard someone say something that mattered...I guess I didn't.

I'd say that was more "Star Wars is culturally irrelevant." That was the status quo between ROTJ and TPM. Then TPM's debut raised the possibility of a return to cultural relevance, but its suckitude simply caused cultural confusion which quickly degenerated into widespread hostility, which was compounded by the even greater suckitude of AOTC.

I think we're inclined to see the original trilogy through rose colored glasses, to place it on a higher pedestal than it actually deserves. While its commercial success and cultural popularity can't be denied, it still wasn't without some cringeworthy moments (stick-carrying teddy bears defeating heavily armed and armored Imperial stormtroopers, for one) that have mostly been swept under the rug in light of the prequel trilogy.

Now Star Wars is widely seen as "for kids and insane fans who will watch any crap Lucas produces." Sadly, I'm neither, which puts me in a very odd position vis a vis TCW.

It is possible for one to outgrow Star Wars and seek more than it offers, IMO. The same is probably true for Star Trek for some...

 

[JarodRussell]

Star Wars is culturally irrelevant and widely seen as "crap for kids and insane fans"?

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