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Tim Russ says people actively pitching a new Series

*Cough* 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special *Cough*
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And how did that produce "a baseline assumption that anything to do with Star Wars sucks" back in the 1970s and 1980s?

Oh, right - it didn't.
Eh? Thought I heard someone say something that mattered...I guess I didn't.

In other words, you can't make your point. You should have read what Temis posted more carefully before that attempt at cleverness.
 
And how did that produce "a baseline assumption that anything to do with Star Wars sucks" back in the 1970s and 1980s?

Oh, right - it didn't.
Eh? Thought I heard someone say something that mattered...I guess I didn't.

In other words, you can't make your point. You should have read what Temis posted more carefully before that attempt at cleverness.
You got me confused with someone who gives a damn what you say.
:rolleyes:
 
I think we're inclined to see the original trilogy through rose colored glasses,
It made incredible amounts of money, it changed the movie business forever (not in a good way, which is the topic of discussion in another thread here - movies being pitched at 12 year old boys is what's keeping Star Trek from ever being really good and smart again, like it was on TV at its best), and the first two movies were very good examples of what they were trying to be, while the third had its moments.

So it's not so much rose-colored glasses (I still think that overall Star Trek is far superior to Star Wars) as acknowledging a powerful cultural force that was greatly damaged by its creator being a loose cannon who had no one to tell him when he was frakking up catastrophically, yet now seems to be turning around, because that same creator is now listening to the kind of people he should have had on board for the PT.

It's an interesting turn of events, very dramatic and unexpected. A good story in its own right. And it's unusual because most mass entertainment is made by corporations where the worst they generally do is uninspired but workmanlike. The PT was a rare example of something so bad that even a soulless corporate machine would have recognized its amateur quality and refused to allow itself to be embarrassed by releasing such dreck.
Star Wars is culturally irrelevant and widely seen as "crap for kids and insane fans"?
I don't know anyone who watches The Clone Wars or reads Star Wars novels - certainly not any grownups. The situation is completely different from Star Trek, where millions of grownups were willing to show their faces to see the new movie in a theater and showed no embarrassment at saying they liked it. The only complaints I've ever heard about it have been here, among the TOS die-hards who hate Pine's Kirk and other idiosyncratic problems. The movie was as intelligent and sophisticated as you can expect any summer action movie to be, and as respectful of TOS as could be hoped.

Lucas might be able to turn the situation around, but he would have to do what Abrams did - acknowledge that he has a damaged franchise on his hands (that he damaged) and take intelligent steps to correct the problem.

In Lucas' case, it's easy: he could do a high profile live action TV series or release more movies, but depend on Dave Filoni and other TCW collaborators to ensure that he produces quality work now. Lucas has definitely assembled a talented team who is capable of producing work just as good as Abrams did - and TCW proves that he has acknowledged the problems with the PT - but he has to actually do the work of revitalizing the franchise. Just relying on cartoons and novels will keep the franchise at the kids-and-nutty-fans level.

But he's scrapped the live action TV show idea, which may indicate that he's making plenty of money from his current approach, so why bother with the general audience? Kid's merchandise is where all the real money is, anyway.
 
I don't know anyone who watches The Clone Wars or reads Star Wars novels - certainly not any grownups.
I don't know anyone who liked the new Star Trek movie. So subjective impressions may not be correct.

Lucas might be able to turn the situation around, but he would have to do what Abrams did - acknowledge that he has a damaged franchise on his hands (that he damaged) and take intelligent steps to correct the problem.
Sorry, but would you please get off your high fanboy horse? He hasn't damaged the franchise in any way. Nor does he have any responsibility towards you. There is no problem. The prequels made a shitload of money at the box office, and the Clone Wars ratings are pretty high, too.

You are one of those fans who have forgotten that the original Star Wars was aimed at kids, too. You have grown up now. I have, too, I don't like the prequels either. But I know a couple of kids, teens and twens and even a few thirts who very much do.
 
I think we're inclined to see the original trilogy through rose colored glasses,
It made incredible amounts of money, it changed the movie business forever (not in a good way, which is the topic of discussion in another thread here - movies being pitched at 12 year old boys is what's keeping Star Trek from ever being really good and smart again, like it was on TV at its best), and the first two movies were very good examples of what they were trying to be, while the third had its moments.

So it's not so much rose-colored glasses (I still think that overall Star Trek is far superior to Star Wars) as acknowledging a powerful cultural force that was greatly damaged by its creator being a loose cannon who had no one to tell him when he was frakking up catastrophically, yet now seems to be turning around, because that same creator is now listening to the kind of people he should have had on board for the PT.

It's an interesting turn of events, very dramatic and unexpected. A good story in its own right. And it's unusual because most mass entertainment is made by corporations where the worst they generally do is uninspired but workmanlike. The PT was a rare example of something so bad that even a soulless corporate machine would have recognized its amateur quality and refused to allow itself to be embarrassed by releasing such dreck.
I still think there is a tendency by hardcore fans to make Star Wars (and also Star Trek) into more than they actually are. And when we eventually set the bar higher than the creators do, that's when the knives usually come out...
 
I don't know anyone who liked the new Star Trek movie.

I know precisely five people who didn't like the movie. And by "know," I mean that I subjectively know them because they're posters here, and not that I actually know them. All the people I actually know, and whose opinions actually matter to me, thought the movie was great.:p
 
With regard to Star Wars, I found it useful, if a bit time consuming, to run a marathon, start with TPM on through at least ANH, and thus do a side-by-side comparison. Then, maybe, you'll realize that you didn't feel the same way about the PT as the OT because you're not twelve years old anymore!

As for what CBS may, or may not, do with Star Trek, I doubt they'd come within a parsec of the JJverse, for financial and legal reasons (they may not be allowed to, and even if they were, why pay the other side of the house a dime for what they already own lock, stock, and barrel?). I can see a pilot airing on CBS, to reach as many eyeballs as possible, with the series airing on Showtime (although I'd prefer a basic cable channel, since I don't get Showtime). And unless someone comes in with one killer of a pitch, as someone said upthread, they'll be quite content to continue with their knitting and let the license fees roll in without their having to do a damn thing.
 
I think it's funny how Russ makes it sound like he wouldn't jump on the chance to be in another Trek role regardless of what it was.
 
I don't know anyone who liked the new Star Trek movie.

I don't know anyone who saw it that didn't. :lol:

Indeed, I tried to get my dad, who would LOVE it, to watch it, but he didn't since it was "Trek"

But I know about 5 people who went due to there SO wanting to see it...and loved it. I know one person who disliked it as it was a reboot, and kept saying "Now TNG/DS9/Voy never happened!" and I just said "You can still watch and enjoy them you know...
:lol:
 
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