^ Thank you for the 'sense' comment. But surely Star Trek 09 has already proved that there is an audience beyond the hardcore fans?
Tim Russ says people actively pitching a new Series
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not only is this highly speculative and very little to go on, considering where Trek failed before was with the issue of oversaturation, you'd think the lesson of "keep them wanting MORE" would be the one there going on.
They've just had a wildly succesful movie and are launching sequels from that. Give it some time.
Remember, there was eight years and four movies between the launch of the succesful TOS film franchise and TNG.
They've just had a wildly succesful movie and are launching sequels from that. Give it some time.
Remember, there was eight years and four movies between the launch of the succesful TOS film franchise and TNG.
Hollywood will give up long-term stability to turn a quick buck any day of the week.
I doubt anything will be decided on the basis of one movie, which benefited from the novelty and curiosity factor. Safer to wait and see if the sequel shows the same level of success first.
Of course it has. And don't call me Shirley.
Do you?
That's nice.
And I suppose Russ would trust Conway that "a pitch actually occurred" as well.
LOL, why are you so vehemently against the idea that someone who Russ knows could have indeed pitched a new series?
The failure of classic Trek wasn't oversaturation. It was creative fatigue resulting in bad writing. Get an independent fresh team and Trek can succeed on TV and in cinemas simultaneously.
Did we learn nothing from the over-saturation of the 1990's? I don't need wall-to-wall Trek. A movie project every few years with a decent book every now and then is perfect.
Bad writing, sure, but the bigger factor that people continually fail to acknowledge in threads like this (probably because few posters follow the TV business) is the changing business model for TV. Genre shows belong on cable now. Just look at the stunning success of The Walking Dead on AMC - fourth highest rated cable show, and the top three are all sports! - but its viewership levels would get it cancelled on any broadcast network except CW and NBC. If a zombie show can be hailed as a great success with 5M viewers, why can't a space opera series do the same? They're both esoteric tastes, where good writing will get you a nice sized audience by cable standards that would be considered marginal on CBS at twice that number.
The ratings and movie profits don't back you up. If you track both box office earnings and TV ratings, there's a pretty steady decline the more Trek there is available in theaters or on TV.(with some brief exceptions like during a show's first season or for ST: FC.)
(Also, I'm not sure if you're a DS9 fan or not, but that was a very well-written show that never came close to TNG-ratings after season 1)
But it's also true that by the time of DS9 and VOY there was a different business model for TV and a lot more sci-fi shows available.
We're calling it classic Trek now? Christ I feel old.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with the current movie franchise. Maybe when that winds down Star Trek could give it a shot.
And at Temis: Kind of ignored the elephant in the room here, no? Talk about 'cable', 'space opera' and 'success' and it's not the Walking Dead one's mind wanders to... granted nuBSG is old news by this point, and it didn't manage a year longer then the floundering Enterprise; but eh.
What's settled, though, is that the studio's abandoned oldTrek. At worst they'd leave it alone for a few years and then turn it over to yet another creative team in whom they have some other interest, who'd do something even more untraditional with it. Maybe Zach Snyder.
^ OldTrek is dead? But I've got this brilliant series concept. It's set a decade after the Dominion War...
, of course.
, of course.^ OldTrek is dead? But I've got this brilliant series concept. It's set a decade after the Dominion War...
Of course. But the important questions are: what species other than human is your captain/main character, what's the big trauma in his/her/its past which is disclosed in the opening episode, and what kind pf super-duper-warp drive powers his uber-starship on its several-generation mission to the Occipital Galaxy?
I'm glad you asked. He's a half-Klingon, half-Augment, half-Trill son of a respected ambassador whose mother was assimilated by the Borg, but who was also a Founder.
And here's the thing--this is absolutely, completely different from all other Star Treks because they don't use warp. They use meta-warp. Completely different. And they have sub-nutronic phase-inducing rifled cannons for weapons. And the transporters have a completely different sound effect. It's more like a "ding!" than a "whoosh."
Granted, I don't have any characters, or any real storylines, but surely this isn't necessary with these gripping elements.
Still--sometimes sarcasm is hard to read online.
And here's the thing--this is absolutely, completely different from all other Star Treks because they don't use warp. They use meta-warp. Completely different. And they have sub-nutronic phase-inducing rifled cannons for weapons. And the transporters have a completely different sound effect. It's more like a "ding!" than a "whoosh."
Granted, I don't have any characters, or any real storylines, but surely this isn't necessary with these gripping elements.
Still
--sometimes sarcasm is hard to read online.Well, it's not important to have real storylines - it is, important, however, to have a seven-year metastory and arc worked out.
Is he played by Tim Russ?
Well let's see, you first tossed out the success of FC when that is considered the best TNG movie. And then, let's look at DS9 this way. During the 7 years DS9 was on TV there were 14 seasons of TV Trek and 3 movies. That's the highest density Trek has ever had, and yet VOY kept going and ENT was created. Then in the 6 years that lead to Trek being "over-saturated" there were 6 seasons on TV and 1 movie. So was it the amount of Trek that killed it? Or maybe the quality of those final years had something to do with it?
I'm convinced that we won't see a Star Trek television project of any kind until the JJ films have run their course...or CBS is blown away by a pitch. The fact that we've not heard any news on a Trek tv series pitch probably means that nothing is imminent.
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