Throwaway lines that hint at untold stories

[uniderth]

And I fail to see how hundreds of Vulcans being killed would seem unimaginable to Vulcans because Vulcan has never been conquered. That seems like a non sequitur.

Looking at the dialogue, the connection between never being conquered is not made because of the number that died. It's made because the Vulcainians' logic couldn't permit them to believe they were being killed by something in the zone of darkness. More specifically Spock points out that the fact that the zone is a negative energy field was illogical and also that there was something else there generating that field.

The Intrepid's crew couldn't acknowledge that this zone(and the thing inside) was killing them, becasue their collective memory (of never having been conquered) was telling them that it was illogical that they were being killed by this thing.

It sounds kind of illogical to me, but that's what the dialogue says.

MCCOY: All I can contribute is the further we travel into this zone of darkness, the weaker our life functions become, and I have no idea why. I'm all right. It's those stimulants. They catch up with you.
KIRK: Engineering.
SCOTT: As to the power levels are concerned, everything is acting backwards, but the drain is continuing. On the static test, I could only get sixty percent power. We're still being dragged forward.
KIRK: Spock.
SPOCK: It's logical to assume that something within this zone absorbs all forms of energy whether mechanically or biologically produced. Whatever it is, it would seem to be the same thing which drew all the energy out of an entire solar system and the Intrepid.
KIRK: The same thing, not the zone itself?
SPOCK: I would say not, Captain. The analysis of the zone indicates it is a negative energy field, however illogical that may sound, but it is not the source of the power drain.
KIRK: Maybe it's a shield of some kind. Some form of protection for something else.
SCOTT: But what?
KIRK: We'll find out what it is, but we'd better get out of here ourselves. Scotty, channel all the impulse and warp power into one massive thrust forward. That might snap us out of the zone.
SCOTT: Aye, Captain, but I'll reserve some for the shields in case we don't get out.
SPOCK: I submit, Mister Scott, if we do not get out, the shields would be extraneous. It would only prolong our wait for death by a short period of time.
KIRK: Use whatever power is necessary to get us out of here, Scotty. Report to your stations, continue your research. Dismissed.
(The department heads leave Kirk and Spock alone.)
SPOCK: Captain, the Intrepid would have done all these things too, and yet they were destroyed.
KIRK: Well, they may not have done all of these things. You just pointed out how illogical this situation is.
SPOCK: True. It is also true they never knew what was killing them. Their logic would not have permitted them to believe they were being killed.
KIRK: Explain.
SPOCK: Vulcan has not been conquered within its collective memory. The memory goes back so far that no Vulcan can conceive of a conqueror. I knew the ship was lost because I sensed it.
KIRK: What was it you sensed?
SPOCK: The touch of death.
KIRK: And what do you think they felt?
SPOCK: Astonishment.

There's the ringship.

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[thribs]

This dragon Spock met as mentioned in This Side of Paradise.
Also from that episode, the story behind Kirk’s medal and Spock’s true Vulcan name.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Spock’s true Vulcan name.

The sketch from the Carol Burnett Show established that it's Harry.

 

[Farscape One]

Kirk's temporal violations, the most on record. If memory serves me, the number they gave was more than what we saw Kirk actually do. Now, I do think time travel has been overused in the franchise, but what about all those other violations?

 

[thribs]

Kirk's temporal violations, the most on record. If memory serves me, the number they gave was more than what we saw Kirk actually do. Now, I do think time travel has been overused in the franchise, but what about all those other violations?

There’s a good novel called Forgotten History that goes into all those violations and makes a compelling story connecting them all together.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Man-Kzin wars, from TAS: "The Slaver Weapon". I'm really curious how the proposed ENT S5 episode "Kilkenny Cats" would have reconciled four wars, the last fought 200 years before 2270 with modern Trek continuity.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

I was always curious about the story behind the Andorian renegade ship mentioned by Picard in the episode "The Survivors", whose crew dismantled and hid their ship in the Triangulum system to avoid detection from Starfleet, making them believe they'd left the system.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

A few lines from "Court Martial"...

KIRK: Timothy, I haven't seen you since the Vulcanian expedition.

COMPUTER: Spock, serial number S179-276SP. Service rank, Lieutenant Commander. Position, First officer, science officer. Current assignment, USS Enterprise. Commendations, Vulcanian Scientific Legion of Honor. Awards of valor. Twice decorated by Starfleet command.

COMPUTER: James T. Kirk, serial number SC937-0176CEC. Service rank, Captain. Position, Starship command. Current assignment, USS Enterprise. Commendations, Palm Leaf Of Axanar Peace Mission, Grankite Order of Tactics, Class of Excellence, Prantares Ribbon of Commendation, Classes first and second [...] Awards of valor, Medal of Honor, Silver Palm with Cluster, Starfleet citation for Conspicuous Gallantry, Karagite Order of Heroism--

The Axanar Peace Mission was of course later mentioned in "Whom Gods Destroy," and Kirk said that it made him and Mr. Spock brothers.

COGLEY: This is where the law is. Not in that homogenised, pasteurised, synthesiser. Do you want to know the law, the ancient concepts in their own language, Learn the intent of the men who wrote them, from Moses to the tribunal of Alpha 3? Books.

COGLEY: I'd be delighted to, sir, now that I've got something human to talk about. Rights, sir, human rights. The Bible, the Code of Hammurabi and of Justinian, Magna Carta, the Constitution of the United States, Fundamental Declarations of the Martian colonies, the Statutes of Alpha Three. Gentlemen, these documents all speak of rights. Rights of the accused to a trial by his peers, to be represented by counsel, the rights of cross-examination, but most importantly, the right to be confronted by the witnesses against him, a right to which my client has been denied.

Hmmm... What the heck happened on Alpha Three?

And then there are the scattered references to Kirk's old girlfriends...

KIRK; It's been, how long has it been?
SHAW: Four years, seven months, and an odd number of days. Not that I'm counting.

KIRK: How long has it been?
WALLACE: Six years, four months, and an odd number of days. You mean you don't know?

What the heck is Kirk doing that makes Areel Shaw and Janet Wallace count the days since they've seen him last?

In "The Menagerie," Miss Piper found a story of Kirk memorable enough to tease him about an old flame in front of her C.O.!

PIPER: I recognized the Captain immediately. A mutual friend described you, sir. Lieutenant Helen Johansson.
KIRK: Helen described--
PIPER: She merely mentioned she knew you, sir.

And in "Turnabout Intruder," we discover Janice Lester, a woman that Kirk spent an entire year with when they were at Starfleet, and they apparently had a very bitter breakup, with no love lost on either side:

JANICE: I hoped I wouldn't see you again.
KIRK: I don't blame you.
JANICE: The year we were together at Starfleet is the only time in my life I was alive.
KIRK: I never stopped you from going on with your space work.
JANICE: Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women. It isn't fair.
KIRK: No, it isn't. And you punished and tortured me because of it.
JANICE: I loved you. We could've roamed among the stars.
KIRK: We'd have killed each other.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

I want to know how Jack Crusher really died.
I want to know what the hell Beverly needed to tell Jean-Luc.
I want to know who those captains were that met secretly with Picard in Conspiracy.
And I really want to know about Garak's time gardening at the Romulan Embassy.

 

[Farscape One]

Just being a gardener... plain, simple.

 

[johnnybear]

What kind of resistance did the crew of the SS Beagle put up to the Roman soldiers? Who were the first crewmen of the USS Exeter to start losing water and turning into chemicals? How were relations between the Hill people and Tyree's tribe before the Klingon's arrived? How many descendents of the USS Archon still reside on Beta III? How come the Gorn weren't aware of the Federation trespassing into their territory before they set up a base on Cestus III? Must have taken some time or was it that they didn't object to aliens trespassing into their space only that they set up a military installation on one of their planets? There are so many stories that we could only guess at! Maybe it's best not to and just accept things as they are presented to us in the show?
JB

 

[FormerLurker]

Hill people and Tyree's tribe

Tyree's tribe are the hill people. You mean the villagers.

 

[The Old Mixer]

If Tyree's tribe was the Hill People, then the opposing tribe would have been...

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[Valenti]

What was the ship Lenora was going to get on - the Astral Queen? And what was Captain Raimart's ship called in Charlie X?

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Why did T'Pau refuse a seat on the Federation Council?

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

I want to know who those captains were that met secretly with Picard in Conspiracy.

Walker Keel was an old friend of Picard’s, Rixx was the commanding officer of the Thomas Paine, and Tryla Scott was the captain of the Renegade and the youngest captain in Starfleet history.

 

[Farscape One]

Not so much a line, but a visual. I think it was "The Chase" from TNG... one phaser shot destroyed a Yridian ship, but Worf said it was not strong enough to do that.

Why and how was it destroyed? (If it was established in dialogue, let me know. It has been a long time since I saw that episode.)

 

[Farscape One]

Walker Keel was an old friend of Picard’s, Rixx was the commanding officer of the Thomas Paine, and Tryla Scott was the captain of the Renegade and the youngest captain in Starfleet history.

I think the question is more along the lines of why those particular ones, and their history. Keel, for obvious reasons, was needed. But Rixx and Scott? I smell some stories there.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

I think the question is more along the lines of why those particular ones, and their history. Keel, for obvious reasons, was needed. But Rixx and Scott? I smell some stories there.

My guess is that they were friends/allies of Keel and that he invited them to the meeting because he thought he could trust them. I don’t know much about Scott, but several non-canon sources suggest that Rixx was one of Starfleet’s best and most experienced captains.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If Tyree's tribe was the Hill People, then the opposing tribe would have been...

Tyree couldn't have been leader of the Hill People. Lothar was.

What was the ship Lenora was going to get on - the Astral Queen?

The Astral Queen was going to pick up Anton Karidian and his entourage at Planet Q. Kirk called in a favor and got the ship to leave early, forcing the group to seek passage on the Enterprise instead.

And what was Captain Raimart's ship called in Charlie X?

USS Antares.