There was a TNG episode "Ensigns of Command". An alien race told the Enterprise to evacuate a colony of 15,000 in 3 days or else. Picard said not doable for designated time. It was implied 6 months was need for the task.
three BILLION people?
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And since a black hole "passing through" would also destroy the Sol System, said destination is quite a distance off.
Well since the population of the Earth right now is 6.5 Billion, I'd really half to wonder what happened that even WW3 only killed 600 Million, that there were only 3 Billion people in the world ~360 years from now when by all rights the Human population doubling every 38 years for the last 200 recorded years factoring in how that expansion would "plateau" the larger it got leading to more like 12 Billion at least by the TNG era being alleviated by colonies and Starfleet allowing a fraction of that number to move off world settling the figure back to maybe 8 Billion.
*stops to take breath*
How did you arrive at 3?
*stops to take breath*
How did you arrive at 3?
I'd say if they had help from not just starfleet ships, but the other member races ships they could do it. Although they would be cutting it close I think they could scramble all the ships up.
Dr_Daystrom
Commander
Logistically impossible. Regardless of whether use transporters or shuttlecraft it's too many people in too short a period of time.
1 week equals 7 days, equals 168 hours, equals 10,080 minutes, equals 604,800 seconds.
Divide 3,000,000,000 by 604,800 and you would have to move 4960 people every second, non-stop, for the whole week. Add in the number of ships it would take to hold all those people, delays in getting those ships into orbit, transporter malfunctions, shuttle breakdowns, etc., and it would be impossible.
1 week equals 7 days, equals 168 hours, equals 10,080 minutes, equals 604,800 seconds.
Divide 3,000,000,000 by 604,800 and you would have to move 4960 people every second, non-stop, for the whole week. Add in the number of ships it would take to hold all those people, delays in getting those ships into orbit, transporter malfunctions, shuttle breakdowns, etc., and it would be impossible.
Just use the phase cloak technology that we never destroyed and we're good.
No way. Not even if all the races of both the Alpha and Beta quadrants showed up in all their ships (provided they had time to do so), there's no way we could evacuate the entire planet.
Don't assume that it would just be humanoid life, either. Remember in Trekverse, hump-backed wales, dolphins and other cetacean life are sentient and worth saving as well. You'd have to beam them all up out of the water and into massive water tanks on the evac vessels that would make the tank that Scotty cobbled together in STIV look like a fish bowl.
Not.gonna.happen.
Don't assume that it would just be humanoid life, either. Remember in Trekverse, hump-backed wales, dolphins and other cetacean life are sentient and worth saving as well. You'd have to beam them all up out of the water and into massive water tanks on the evac vessels that would make the tank that Scotty cobbled together in STIV look like a fish bowl.
Not.gonna.happen.
PEOPLE!
This is Star Trek we're talking about here. All we need to do is conjure up some interesting technobabble and "poof" it's all taken care of.
This is Star Trek we're talking about here. All we need to do is conjure up some interesting technobabble and "poof" it's all taken care of.
Unless Ive got the arithmetic wrong (and assuming a billion is 1000million)
You would have to transport 1,653 people per second, just to get them off the planet never mind to somewhere safe. So ... No chance.
Whoops ..... Ive only calculated for one billion, and just noticed Dr Daystrom has already figured this out above^
You would have to transport 1,653 people per second, just to get them off the planet never mind to somewhere safe. So ... No chance.
Whoops ..... Ive only calculated for one billion, and just noticed Dr Daystrom has already figured this out above^
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Dr_Daystrom
Commander
1 week equals 7 days, equals 168 hours, equals 10,080 minutes, equals 604,800 seconds.
Divide 3,000,000,000 by 604,800 and you would have to move 4960 people every second, non-stop, for the whole week.
Please check my math.
They might as well move the earth.
Actually, given the sophistication of transporter technology, that may well be far more feasible than a standard evacuation...!
Well, a phase cloak sounds like a better idea.
Transporting a lot of of people by storing them in the pattern buffers ... it's possible, but you have to take into consideration the buffers would have to be large enough to support at least 2000 people per starship, and Voyager to our knowledge had issues with storing about 20 telepaths in their buffers.
Actually, scratch that ... they had issues re-materializing them after being in the buffer too long.
It's entirely possible they could store a large amount of people in a buffer, but their stability remains an issue.
Without Quantum slipstream technology to travel from one place to another really fast, it would be too much people in too little time.
Transporting a lot of of people by storing them in the pattern buffers ... it's possible, but you have to take into consideration the buffers would have to be large enough to support at least 2000 people per starship, and Voyager to our knowledge had issues with storing about 20 telepaths in their buffers.
Actually, scratch that ... they had issues re-materializing them after being in the buffer too long.
It's entirely possible they could store a large amount of people in a buffer, but their stability remains an issue.
Without Quantum slipstream technology to travel from one place to another really fast, it would be too much people in too little time.
Timo brings up a good point. If you tied the planetary energy generators to a series of Pegasus-style "cloaks" could you turn the Earth insubstantial to avoid the catastrophe?
And SCI-while your argument about population sounds logical-you included a reference to agricultural needs of a large population. This would not be such a large factor due to replicator technology.
Earth is s'posed to be a "paradise". Certainly the limited views of it we got in the movies/series suggests a garden-like setting. When Harry walks down the streets of San Francisco it looks populated but not over-crowded.I think we are looking at 1-2 billion people as an upper end and as low as 900million. I think that colonization is a large displacement factor in Star Trek's universe, coupled with lowered birthrates, long-term effects of large-scale warfare/fall-out/starvation/disease from the late 20th-late 21st centuries and let's not forget that Col Green's effect has never been calculated(as far as I know) and he could have wiped out millions-his practices are usually referred to as "genocidal". All of this could lead to a smaller overall pop to transport. Is it possible-maybe. Is it probable-I still think not unless you use one of Timo's more extreme suggestions.
And SCI-while your argument about population sounds logical-you included a reference to agricultural needs of a large population. This would not be such a large factor due to replicator technology.
Earth is s'posed to be a "paradise". Certainly the limited views of it we got in the movies/series suggests a garden-like setting. When Harry walks down the streets of San Francisco it looks populated but not over-crowded.I think we are looking at 1-2 billion people as an upper end and as low as 900million. I think that colonization is a large displacement factor in Star Trek's universe, coupled with lowered birthrates, long-term effects of large-scale warfare/fall-out/starvation/disease from the late 20th-late 21st centuries and let's not forget that Col Green's effect has never been calculated(as far as I know) and he could have wiped out millions-his practices are usually referred to as "genocidal". All of this could lead to a smaller overall pop to transport. Is it possible-maybe. Is it probable-I still think not unless you use one of Timo's more extreme suggestions.
Here's an idea: what if they just partially transport people up, and then store them in the transporter buffers like Scotty did in TNG's "Relics". I don't know if there's a limit to the number of signature they can store, but if they get every transporter system on the ship going (including emergency and cargo transporters) and several other ships going, there's a chance it might work.
I don't think it's really a question of capacity, as we've seen people suppose several alternatives, including the transporter buffer suggestion, the really tricky part is time - there's simply not enough time to transport that many people - one week ain't enough, even with the entire resources of the Federation put to the task.
Unless of course the Federation does have access to the Scalosian water, then there's probably plenty of time.
Unless of course the Federation does have access to the Scalosian water, then there's probably plenty of time.
^Ah, but if the transporter buffer idea is workable, there's nothing saying that the people need to be ready for transport. You're sitting on the pot one minute, and the next minute, you're falling on your bare arse several L.Y's away and a week or two later. Thus, if you can fit everyone, just beam everyone up and store them quickly. I'm sure once they realise that their lives have been saved that they'll forgive the captain.
