Well, no, they aren't. Even the nacelles are different. Take a look at the caps on one versus the other.
Thoughts on the USS Shenzhou (Trailer Edition)
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Well, no, they aren't. Even the nacelles are different. Take a look at the caps on one versus the other.
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/jefferies-phase-II.php
The Phase II secondary hull is the TOS secondary hull with minor modifications, mainly the dish. [Struck through because it's wrong. I was thinking in terms of broad strokes suggested by the surface features and shuttle bay layout.]
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Fair point, they are close however. The point is, this is a massive redesign, its not a minor update or change, this is a whole scale redesign or 80% of the ship.
Actually, the Phase II secondary hull is the ST:TMP secondary hull, with differences in the deflector dish and the hangar deck.
The Phase II saucer is the ST:TMP saucer, before Probert's additional detailing.
The part of the Phase II ship that varies most from the ST:TMP ship are the nacelles, and the differences in shape there are not that great.
As serveaux stated above, its the same hull and as you can see in the side by side I posted its a massive rework. The shapes alone, leaving texture and detail out, are big changes.
OK. Here's the thread I was looking for.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/phase-ii-enterprise-study-model.217966/
There's a lot going on, but I think I see what you're saying, @Serveaux. This post seems to say it:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/phase-ii-enterprise-study-model.217966/page-2#post-8690395
So, it seems that superficially the Phase II Enterprise retains a TOS look, but the proportions are all well on their way to the TMP version. If that's it, then, yeah, ignore whatever I said earlier about Phase II.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/phase-ii-enterprise-study-model.217966/
There's a lot going on, but I think I see what you're saying, @Serveaux. This post seems to say it:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/phase-ii-enterprise-study-model.217966/page-2#post-8690395
So, it seems that superficially the Phase II Enterprise retains a TOS look, but the proportions are all well on their way to the TMP version. If that's it, then, yeah, ignore whatever I said earlier about Phase II.
Fair enough. But if Roddenberry was running from the TOS aesthetic, why would he have been okay with a model that looked so similar? And the two really do look similar. Especially the neck and primary hull.
It's only a problem if you try to fit it into the TOS universe, which the showrunners very clearly and deliberately aren't. It's like trying to fit Ben Affleck's Batmobile into a chronology of the Adam West Batman universe.
Supposedly it's this TNG-era design that Eaves' made for a fan club that was the basis for the Shenzhou.
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Which is only a problem if we are told that the car is supposed to fit into that universe. The Shenzou is supposed to be a contemporary of the NCC-1701. We're being told this is ten years prior to TOS in the Prime timeline. It simply doesn't fit for me.
The issue is man, TOS does not fit the rest of the Trek timeline, not the other way around. It never has. We just kinda went with it.
Neither does TNG. It already looks mighty dated compared to Discovery. Which is why I simply treat the new show as a reboot.
I'll just treat it as a full reboot. CBS won't care as long as they get my cash every month.
Yeah, I don't believe what they're saying and I'm not sure why they're saying it. Unless they have something brain-twisting lined up, it's as much TOS' world as Gotham is a prequel to Batman vs Superman. I'm sure all the same important notes will be hit (Bruce Wayne will eventually become Batman, James T Kirk will eventually command the USS Enterprise), but their worlds aren't the same.
I'm not saying that as a negative thing (it's exactly what I wanted from the new Trek series), just a statement of what it looks like to me.
I like the idea that Gotham is a prequel to the campy 60's Batman TV show. If anything, that fits more than anything we've ever argued about here.
I'm a season behind (they've seemingly forgotten to show it over here in England), but I must admit I can see David Mazouz becoming Adam West's version of Bruce Wayne far moreso than any other
I probabbly didn't understand what you were trying to say, but these are "standard" warp signatures that in blue form are unidentified and then identified with Klingon insignia as klingon vessels(seems there are 8 of them). Even if the ship is destroyed within first few episodes, I can't see why would they change their UI. They've probably spend good money to develop this look in the first place.
Sadly I stopped following the show after the first half of season 2. It's not that I didn't want to keep watching it, but the show wasn't important enough to fit into my schedule. I've been wanting to go back to it because it was just so much bonkers fun.
