Thor: Ragnarok

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Skywalker, Apr 11, 2016.

  1. kirk55555

    kirk55555 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Location:
    Washington State, USA
    Like I said, I'm still excited to see Thor Ragnarok. I was just imagining an epic battle for the fate of Asgard, not necessarily following the myths (since Marvel's Thor in the comics dropped a lot of the actual norse myth stuff and just kept some of the good things and added a lot of its own, and all for the better in my opinion). That said, I'd like to see them fighting Hela and a giant wolf and all the other end of days Norse stuff. It seems like the perfect way to end Thor as a solo series (I don't mean he'd lose ragnarok, just that it would be a good way to end the solo films).

    But it still seems like it could easily end up being the best Thor movie, and its the MCU movie I most want to see in 2017. Its more like I'm lamenting the missed opportunity then actually irritated or put off by the movie it seems to be. I'm sure it will be fun, and seeing Hulk get a (presumably) somewhat bigger role in this then he gets in the avengers movies is cool. Also, Loki is one of the few really entertaining MCU villains, and I can't wait to see what he does. So, overall I'm staying positive, with a bit of disappointment over what could have been that won't taint my opinion of the final product.
     
  2. Ovation

    Ovation Vice Admiral Admiral

    True, regarding Jane Foster. Of course, the lack of interest is assuaged, in large part, by the fact Natalie Portman is Jane (well, it does for me, anyway).:whistle:
     
  3. LaxScrutiny

    LaxScrutiny Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2003
    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    Just in terms of storytelling, Thor is immortal, Jane is not. At some point it has to end, or else Odin steps in and approves, and does something mystical for Jane.

    It doesn't upset me if Portman isn't interested. I love the movies because of what Hemsworth brings to role. The others are supporting actors/characters and I'm not dissing them, but Hemsworth does an amazing job. Give him a good script and a good director and you have my price of admission.
     
  4. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2003
    Location:
    Tacoma, Washington
  5. Beagleman

    Beagleman Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2003
    Location:
    In your house.
    That's good to hear.
     
  6. kirk55555

    kirk55555 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2011
    Location:
    Washington State, USA
  7. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    2nd Week of Advent
  8. LJones41

    LJones41 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2015
    Location:
    I'm from Long Beach, CA.
    Personally, I like Jane Foster and her relationship with Thor. And if it ends, it ends.


    But if Marvel wanted the relationship to end that badly, they could have hired another actress to portray Jane, so that we can see it happen on screen. I get the feeling that we're going to be "told" about the break-up . . . which is what Marvel did with Tony and Pepper.
     
  9. JD

    JD Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2004
    Location:
    Arizona, USA
  10. The Grinch Doctor

    The Grinch Doctor Two hearts two sizes too small Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2000
    Location:
    Emh
    I'm actually a little torn on this news. On the one hand, I love Natalie Portman and Jane was an enjoyable character (and I'm one of the few people who loved Kat Dennings as Darcy), but on the other hand, the biggest thing that I'm most excited about Ragnarok is how it's largely focusing on Asgard and the greater galaxy beyond Earth. I'm a big fan of Norse Mythology, and while I don't expect the film to follow closely to the those stories, I enjoy them maintaining at the least of those myths. I'm further interested in the otherworldliness the film will bring, much like Guardians of the Galaxy.

    But, perhaps as JD suggests, maybe they'll follow the recent comics regarding Jane which will allow the character to reasonably exist beyond Earth.
     
  11. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    I think the comment's pretty clear. The Winter Soldier changed the landscape by dismantling SHIELD, and clearing the way for Hydra, so Ragnarok will change it by smashing Asgard, thus clearing the way for Thanos.
     
  12. The Grinch Doctor

    The Grinch Doctor Two hearts two sizes too small Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2000
    Location:
    Emh
    I think the only thing that's clear is Ragnarok will be a game changer and perhaps in an unexpected fashion. Anything else is open to interpretation.

    One interpretation is, as you said, Asgard being "smashed" thus clearing the way for Thanos, but another interpretation might be something we won't see coming. Besides, does Asgard need "smashing" for Thanos to succeed and is that really even a game changer in the first place?
     
  13. Romulan_spy

    Romulan_spy Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2000
    Location:
    Terre Haute, IN. USA
    Thor is forced to fight the Hulk in gladiatorial combat.

    My speculation/prediction is that Hulk will come close to winning but Thor will appeal to him and they will break free together from the gladiatorial arena and join forces to save Asgard.
     
  14. LJones41

    LJones41 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2015
    Location:
    I'm from Long Beach, CA.

    Whatever happened to the days when Thor was able to wipe the floor with the Hulk? Is it really that important to Marvel that the Hulk is potrayed as this all powerful being? Or that only science - in the name of Stark's Hulkbuster - is able to defeat him?
     
  15. M'rk son of Mogh

    M'rk son of Mogh Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Which days? Almost every comic (going back to Journey Into Mystery purposely being vague about the winner )has them tying, with a few times in either title showing the titular hero as the winner.
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2017
    Greg Cox likes this.
  16. Merry Reymas

    Merry Reymas Kylo failed you, I won't. Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Location:
    Tom Hendricks
    Same with the Hulk battling the Thing. They more or less always drew to a tie or someone barely won.

    Here is a video to demonstrate what I'm talking about...

     
  17. Romulan_spy

    Romulan_spy Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2000
    Location:
    Terre Haute, IN. USA
    The way the Hulk has been portrayed in the Avengers movies, I don't see how Thor could beat him unless he has his magic hammer, Mjolnir. At least in the movies, Mjolnir seems to be the only thing that really makes Thor powerful.

    Apparently the answer is yes based on the recent Avengers movies.
     
  18. M'rk son of Mogh

    M'rk son of Mogh Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    And every comic book that's ever been published with those characters.
     
    Greg Cox likes this.
  19. Greg Cox

    Greg Cox Admiral Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Location:
    Oxford, PA
    Exactly. Back in the day, they were routinely portrayed as being equal in strength, with them famously fighting to a draw during the first Avengers-Defenders crossover back in the seventies.
     
    Snowy Road likes this.
  20. LJones41

    LJones41 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2015
    Location:
    I'm from Long Beach, CA.
    First we have Captain America 3 transforming into an Avengers film. Now we have Thor 3, which features the Hulk as a co-lead and Spider-man with Iron Man making more than a cameo appearance.

    How long is this pattern going to last in the MCU?