I just saw this movie for the first time. It was glorious.
Spoilers Thor: Ragnarok Grading and Discussion
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Loved Thor: Ragnarok. It was funny, it had heart, it had a solid thematic core, the characters underwent meaningful change.
And I adored the anti-colonialist subtext to the whole thing.
And I adored the anti-colonialist subtext to the whole thing.
They're alive! And Valkyire is now Queen of New Asgard! And apparently the Kingdom of Norway decided to just give away Tønsberg and the surrounding area to the Asgardians! Which makes me wonder, is the Kingdom of New Asgard recognized under international law as a sovereign state? Is it a United Nations Member State? Do all the Asgardians have Thor's and Valkyrie's level of superpoweredness? Will the influx of Asgardians on Earth lead to some major consequence for, like, everyone else? Or will the surviving Asgardians all magically stay in their own territory?
Interesting, but definitely way too rushed. The theatrical version did it much better.
Agree, but it is good to finally see the original version which was glimpsed in the first trailer.
I liked what they did with Thor/Dr. Strange and Odin's death (of natural causes...) that was in the theatrical release. The above scene is well discarded.
What I like about this scene is, that Odin lives when Hela arrives. In the movie itself, it's always a little moment, where I sense a little lack in my 'suspension of diesbelief', that Hela just comes up a few seconds after her father is gone - as a coincidence, it's just a (little) bit too unlikely. But then again, Odin's death is too beautiful in the movie to get cut off... (My personal favourite way out of this would have been, that they made clear, that Hela could just break out because of Odin's death.)
Yeah, that was so heavily implied , more was not needed.
Well, for me, it was just clear, that this was the only way the shown events made sense. Maybe, I can describe it this way: For me, it was a kind of implied, but not very heavily - especially not for a Marvel movie.
It wasn't implied, he outright said that as he was getting weaker he could feel her getting stronger, and once he was dead she'd get free.
Why? I ask because if Odin's power was what was keeping Hela imprisoned/banished, then her appearing almost immediately after his natural death honestly makes a bit of sense.
Odin's power has dissipated and the spell is broken, and Gela is free to emerge.
I havent seen the movie recently. But Hela appeared were Odin died. Odin knew what would happen, why didn't he fly into the sun or black hole?
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Any number of reasons. His power was waning - maybe even before he remembered who he was; we don't know that he was ever capable of just flying through space under his own power (no Sleipnir or rainbow bridge or anything to help him); Hela's power is intrinsically tied to Asgard, so a black hole might be absolutely useless as long as Asgard still exists, etc, etc.
As I wrote: I see the point that it makes sense. But while watching, I'm never sure if this is just my interpretation or if the authors really had this idea in mind, too. I'm really not able to describe why I have the feeling, that we overthought this more than them - but this is always my 'feeling' in this scene: that we see a connection, the filmmakers didn't intend.
From https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Thor-Ragnarok.html:
ODIN
No. It has already begun. She's
coming. (emphasis mine) My life was all that held
her back, but my time has come. I
cannot keep her away any longer.
I don't see how you get more explicit than that, though perhaps it occurs even more literally than one might have expected.
ODIN
No. It has already begun. She's
coming. (emphasis mine) My life was all that held
her back, but my time has come. I
cannot keep her away any longer.
I don't see how you get more explicit than that, though perhaps it occurs even more literally than one might have expected.
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