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This is a private board. There is no requirement for transparency here. I don't recall Bonz ever promising "transparency," either. About the only thing that is done transparently is the issuance of infractions, which are declared in the relevant thread. But the discussion behind them is not revealed, nor who originally reported it, nor what each mod thought of it.

So, if you are expecting true transparency here, I think you are going to be very disappointed.

Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that T'Bonz ever promised anything and I wouldn't believe her if she did. She hasn't kept other promises she's made in the past, why would this be any different ?

If you don't know why you're threatened with being tossed (I don't actually know anything about that), have you directly asked a mod or admin? Or have you just been grousing about it in threads like this?

I asked the person who did it, T'Bonz, directly and all I got was basically "you know what you did, don't play innocent with me and don't reply or I'll ban you." in reply. Transparency indeed.

Oh, and given the general tone of your reply here, I'll remind you of the advice you gave me earlier about not being so abrasive.
 
That's what makes this place so great - there's space for serious discussions and high-school humour. Sometimes in the same conversation
Yes I do enjoy this. The serious and detailed discussions and a little humor.

With our BBS statistics Members: 16,575, and Active Members: 3,146

There are usually 200-300 active users at once which makes for great interactive conversations via posting within an hour or two usually.

I wonder what does constitute an active user, presumably it is a poster who has posted within a certain timeframe, does anybody know what that time frame is?
 
This is a private board. There is no requirement for transparency here. I don't recall Bonz ever promising "transparency," either. About the only thing that is done transparently is the issuance of infractions, which are declared in the relevant thread. But the discussion behind them is not revealed, nor who originally reported it, nor what each mod thought of it.

So, if you are expecting true transparency here, I think you are going to be very disappointed.

Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that T'Bonz ever promised anything and I wouldn't believe her if she did.

Then why are you bleating about transparency if it's not something that was ever promised or practiced?

This board isn't run based on your preferences. Deal with it.

I don't always like how it's run, either, but I don't take every opportunity to whine about it because it's simply poor form and not productive.

If you don't know why you're threatened with being tossed (I don't actually know anything about that), have you directly asked a mod or admin? Or have you just been grousing about it in threads like this?

I asked the person who did it, T'Bonz, directly and all I got was basically "you know what you did, don't play innocent with me" in reply. Transparency indeed.

Oh, and given the general tone of your reply here, I'll remind you of the advice you gave me earlier about not being so abrasive.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt when I started responding to you, thinking you had legitimate gripes. The one example you provided of a moderator action you disagreed with, Neroon quickly chimed in and explained. You failed to provide any other evidence to back up your position. As this thread has gone on, I have understood your position to be: "I don't like how things are done here, so I'm going to complain about it every chance I get." And then you seem surprised when no one takes your criticism seriously.

I am still interested to hear what, specifically, you have problems with. I have no control over the visibility of the BR or the functions of MA, but if you'd like to PM me with specific moderator actions you have issues with, I would be happy to look over them and see if you're onto something. I don't think discussing this in-thread is going to get anywhere, especially without specific examples of the things you're complaining about.
 
It's the best board I've ever stumbled across.

This was my thought as well. :cardie:

I prefer chocolate chip or oatmeal raisin cookies. But, they have to be fresh. :hugegrin:

Frankly, I've been through my share of message boards, and, given everything I've seen, this one ranks pretty darn high. The fact that there are people who keep coming back after taking long spouts of not being here and the fact that there are people who have been here consistently since it was actually Big and Blue says a lot about it, I think.

It's really a very stable board, and the conversations are, generally, very well done. Sure, you can't please all of the people all of the time, but that's not the point of a discussion board in general.

If everyone believed the same thing and followed the same principles, there wouldn't be any discussion, and no board. I mean, who wants to follow my lead and just worship Kathryn Janeway as a small idol? Well, probably those with variations on the name Kathryn Janeway, but all that aside, I doubt very few. More importantly, I wouldn't want them to.

I, and I think may here, accept that we're all human and prone to making the occasional bad decision of posting something we probably should, and I think we're lucky to be on a board where most of us can just roll with those punches and keep having a good time.

That is pure awesomeness in my opinion. :techman:

Now, where are my cookies?!
 
Then why are you bleating about transparency if it's not something that was ever promised or practiced?

I think it is something that would be a genuine improvement to the board. I was asked to be more positive. The best way to do that is to come up with constructive ideas for improvement.

I don't expect everyone to think they're great ideas but I am in no way "bleating" about anything. You do see how accusing another poster of such a thing might make them a little bit annoyed ?

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt when I started responding to you, thinking you had legitimate gripes. The one example you provided of a moderator action you disagreed with, Neroon quickly chimed in and explained. You failed to provide any other evidence to back up your position.

You asked for a recent example of a thread that was locked unnecessarily. I gave you one.

Want another ? jkladis locked one of Aragorn's threads last month. He could come up with no reason better than his own bad mood for doing so when I PM'ed him to ask why. I'm sure that wasn't the actual reason, but it's not exactly adult behaviour.

Want some more ? See how Timby and Orac Zen lock every thread in QS&F hours after it opens ?

I can keep going if you want, but you asked for one example. If I wanted to moan and complain endlessly I would have listed every single one I could think of. Do not ask questions if you know you are not going to like the answers.

As this thread has gone on, I have understood your position to be: "I don't like how things are done here, so I'm going to complain about it every chance I get." And then you seem surprised when no one takes your criticism seriously.

Replying in one thread is not "every chance I can get", now is it ?

I am still interested to hear what, specifically, you have problems with. I have no control over the visibility of the BR or the functions of MA, but if you'd like to PM me with specific moderator actions you have issues with, I would be happy to look over them and see if you're onto something. I don't think discussing this in-thread is going to get anywhere, especially without specific examples of the things you're complaining about.

I've already said what I have problems with and I've already discussed a very specific example at greater length than I ever intended to.
 
Then why are you bleating about transparency if it's not something that was ever promised or practiced?

I think it is something that would be a genuine improvement to the board. I was asked to be more positive. The best way to do that is to come up with constructive ideas for improvement.

No, the best way to be more positive is to be more positive, which means complaining less.

I don't expect everyone to think they're great ideas but I am in no way "bleating" about anything. You do see how accusing another poster of such a thing might make them a little bit annoyed ?

You are complaining that the board is conducted in a way that is inconsistent with how you think it should be run. If you really want to go down that road, a polite thread in QSF would be a good place to start, instead of dropping it into threads like this one.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt when I started responding to you, thinking you had legitimate gripes. The one example you provided of a moderator action you disagreed with, Neroon quickly chimed in and explained. You failed to provide any other evidence to back up your position.

You asked for a recent example of a thread that was locked unnecessarily. I gave you one.

Want another ? jkladis locked one of Aragorn's threads last month. He could come up with no reason better than his own bad mood for doing so when I PM'ed him to ask why. I'm sure that wasn't the actual reason, but it's not exactly adult behaviour.

I haven't seen this thread. If you can find me a link, I'd appreciate it.

Want some more ? See how Timby and Orac Zen lock every thread in QS&F hours after it opens ?

Flat-out false. Most of the threads in QSF are open, as of this moment. The ones that are closed are either off-topic spam, suggestions that have been beaten to death, or questions that are answered elsewhere (which explanation provided in-thread.)

I can keep going if you want, but you asked for one example. If I wanted to moan and complain endlessly I would have listed every single one I could think of. Do not ask questions if you know you are not going to like the answers.

Well, I have yet to see an example pointing to reckless or arbitrary moderation, other than instances of mods being cranky, which I have acknowledged as a problem. You're the one who made the claim, it's on you to back it up--you have not done so.

As this thread has gone on, I have understood your position to be: "I don't like how things are done here, so I'm going to complain about it every chance I get." And then you seem surprised when no one takes your criticism seriously.

Replying in one thread is not "every chance I can get", now is it ?

Yeah, because this is the first time you've ever expressed discontent with how TrekBBS is run.

I am still interested to hear what, specifically, you have problems with. I have no control over the visibility of the BR or the functions of MA, but if you'd like to PM me with specific moderator actions you have issues with, I would be happy to look over them and see if you're onto something. I don't think discussing this in-thread is going to get anywhere, especially without specific examples of the things you're complaining about.

I've already said what I have problems with and I've already discussed a very specific example at greater length than I ever intended to.

If you aren't willing to stick around and back up what you say, I don't know what to tell you. If you want things to change around here, you have to make your case. If you just want to make vague complaints and accusations, don't be surprised when nothing is done. :shrug:
 
No, the best way to be more positive is to be more positive, which means complaining less.

So, you encourage me to complain by notifying moderators all over the place and then discourage me from complaining. At best, you're misunderstanding what the word "complain" means.

If you aren't willing to stick around and back up what you say, I don't know what to tell you. If you want things to change around here, you have to make your case. If you just want to make vague complaints and accusations, don't be surprised when nothing is done. :shrug:

I already gave a perfectly valid example. It wasn't vague, it was direct and to the point.

I cannot prove the absence of warnings anymore than atheists can prove the absence of god.
 
No, the best way to be more positive is to be more positive, which means complaining less.

So, you encourage me to complain by notifying moderators all over the place and then discourage me from complaining. At best, you're misunderstanding what the word "complain" means.

Notifying the mods isn't complaining--it's bringing attention to posts that may violate the rules. Learn the difference. It could save your life!

If you aren't willing to stick around and back up what you say, I don't know what to tell you. If you want things to change around here, you have to make your case. If you just want to make vague complaints and accusations, don't be surprised when nothing is done. :shrug:

I already gave a perfectly valid example. It wasn't vague, it was direct and to the point.

I cannot prove the absence of warnings anymore than atheists can prove the absence of god.

Which example was that?

And you most certainly can prove the absence of warnings, if you point out posts that clearly violate the rules yet had no warnings come of them.
 
Notifying the mods isn't complaining--it's bringing attention to posts that may violate the rules. Learn the difference. It could save your life!

Notifying is the same as making a complaint.

Which example was that?

The aforementioned ex-moderator making comments towards me in unrelated threads when he was told to stop.

And you most certainly can prove the absence of warnings, if you point out posts that clearly violate the rules yet had no warnings come of them.

I'm not going to trawl through tens of thousands of posts to find the comments I'm talking about.

I'll tell you what. Next time I see a good example, I notify on it. If such notifications are as adequately discussed as you say they are then you'll see that I've done it. Then, you can PM me and let me know your opinion.

Fair enough ?
 
Remember when we had that page that listed all the people who had been warned and banned? I always thought that was funny.
 
Remember when we had that page that listed all the people who had been warned and banned? I always thought that was funny.

Yeah, I remember that, but we really had to. The number of alts a spammer/troller/etc. could create in a day was mind boggling. I almost wanted to give trophies to the ones who were super diligent in their alts.

I do miss the posts that did the run down of the post counts for the week, though. Those were fun.
 
Those ended shortly before I started posting more often around here. How am I supposed to get my e-validation now? :p
 
Those ended shortly before I started posting more often around here. How am I supposed to get my e-validation now? :p

Life is less fulfilling if you've never been praised for making 1,000 posts in a week. Trust me, I've experienced it, and my life has been so much more enriched for the experience.
 
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