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[GeekUSACarl]

What is hilarious is that in these very forums certain words or phrases that are allowed in the general public are verboten here.

F-bombs are OK, but don't dare use a word or phrase that offends the political Left. Those are the new "swear words".

There will always be words considered "profane". They will just change based upon who is controlling the narrative.

Though I don't agree on the left vs right thing and I tend not to get into that too much anyway ( every group of every type made up of people has some form of controlled elitism, essentially no one's side shit doesn't stink ) and for the record I happen to be very left on most things.

I do agree with you in general though. Different words offend different types of people differently. I see it as only natural that groups of certain people who run a social group may, for the sake of their members be more conscious of certain phrases or words.

Personally I find that to be a very reasonable point of view. This site for example may be a kinda social fan club but it does have customers and their sensibilities should matter be them this way or that. I haven't been around here too long so I don't know what those sensibilities are.

What I'm trying to say is that the idea that fuck is a-ok but other words that aren't classically profane, are not ok depending on the group is normal and I'd say even a good thing. Else you have a ruling or enforcing body without their finger on the pulse of its people, and that's just weird.

 

[Feron]

Though I don't agree on the left vs right thing and I tend not to get into that too much anyway ( every group of every type made up of people has some form of controlled elitism, essentially no one's side shit doesn't stink ) and for the record I happen to be very left on most things.

I do agree with you in general though. Different words offend different types of people differently. I see it as only natural that groups of certain people who run a social group may, for the sake of their members be more conscious of certain phrases or words.

Personally I find that to be a very reasonable point of view. This site for example may be a kinda social fan club but it does have customers and their sensibilities should matter be them this way or that. I haven't been around here too long so I don't know what those sensibilities are.

What I'm trying to say is that the idea that fuck is a-ok but other words that aren't classically profane, are not ok depending on the group is normal and I'd say even a good thing. Else you have a ruling or enforcing body without their finger on the pulse of its people, and that's just weird.

But the problem is that the enforcement is one-sided.

On these forums, it is completely acceptable to make inferences that Trump and his supporters are Nazis, for example, but something as innocuous as "SJW" is treated as a hate-crime.

And as for the "pulse of the people", at least according to this study Discovery is enjoyed equally by both conservatives and liberals, so a "pulse of the people" standard would not result in only right-wing opinions being those that are censored.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonath...ree-on-much-when-it-comes-to-tv/#d51f9e1762e8

 

[O_Kav]

I just pointed out that there are "profane" words right here in this forum.

Some of the same people who celebrate hearing the F-bomb demand that acronyms such as you referenced be banned and people who use them be punished.

And it wasn't just because that particular poster was annoying (he annoyed me too, I called him out for his hateful statements) because other people in different contexts have been punished for using the same aforementioned acronym.

Some animals are more equal than others, as the saying goes.

Uhh... Yeah, no. Calling people SJWs and ranting about SJWs is what folks want to be punishable, not the acronym itself. Unlike, for example, bigoted slurs like the N-word or the R-word who should be punishable for merely appearing on a body text.

It's about civility. You're just imagining certain profane words where there are none. Most of us would consider ourselves a bunch of SJWs anyway, because we do support Social Justice. We just don't like being flamed. No one does.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

But the problem is that the enforcement is one-sided.

On these forums, it is completely acceptable to make inferences that Trump and his supporters are Nazis, for example, but something as innocuous as "SJW" is treated as a hate-crime.

And as for the "pulse of the people", at least according to this study Discovery is enjoyed equally by both conservatives and liberals, so a "pulse of the people" standard would not result in only right-wing opinions being those that are censored.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonath...ree-on-much-when-it-comes-to-tv/#d51f9e1762e8

Enforcement may be one sided, but this isn't public ground, I suppose more what I mean is why wouldn't enforcement be leaning towards the sensibilities of those frequenting your place or establishment?

Do I personally think its wrong, petty and of a small mind to call trump supporters nazis? Yes. I think the same way about most comments I see about sjw's and I've also struggled to understand where the sjw line is to even judge. But, when in rome....

Also I tend not to come here giving a hoot about politics. I wanna talk nerdy when I come here and I get my fill of politics elsewhere.

In closing, maybe the enforcement is one sided, maybe that just reflects the groups sensabilities as a whole? I also kinda don't care aside from the academic discussion

 

[Feron]

Uhh... Yeah, no. Calling people SJWs and ranting about SJWs is what folks want to be punishable, not the acronym itself. Unlike, for example, bigoted slurs like the N-word or the R-word who should be punishable for merely appearing on a body text.

It's about civility. You're just imagining certain profane words where there are none. Most of us would consider ourselves a bunch of SJWs anyway, because we do support Social Justice. We just don't like being flamed. No one does.

Oh please.

SJWs are not about "justice", they are cultural Marxists. They literally dress up in clothes to conceal their identity and physically attack people in the streets because they dare to speak out against Leftist tyranny. And people get banned from social media for speaking out against it because that is how left wing fascism operates.

"Civility" is free speech. Getting folks fired from their jobs, beaten up in the streets, and banned from forums just because they voted for someone you dislike isn't "civility", it's fascism dressed up as political correctness.

 

[Borgminister]

Dang--must've taken a left turn into TNZ!

But hey, if I drop an anvil on my toe, I'm going to use stronger words than Dang.

 

[O_Kav]

Oh please.

SJWs are not about "justice", they are cultural Marxists. They literally dress up in clothes to conceal their identity and physically attack people in the streets because they dare to speak out against Leftist tyranny. And people get banned from social media for speaking out against it because that is how left wing fascism operates.

"Civility" is free speech. Getting folks fired from their jobs, beaten up in the streets, and banned from forums just because they voted for someone you dislike isn't "civility", it's fascism dressed up as political correctness.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Most of us would consider ourselves a bunch of SJWs anyway, because we do support Social Justice. We just don't like being flamed. No one does.

I think there Is a line many cross, where they arrnt looking for social justice rather they are looking for social revenge or an outlet of anger which is what I think sjw is supposed to refer to,

For example, speaking out against racist nationalism and educating people on the dangers and damages is very socially conscious, its prudent and of a sound social mind.

Unmasking peoples identities because you think they are nazis and posting their addresses, ( which has been known to misidentify people causing them horroble grief ) attacking physically american nazis and infringing on their free speech rights, essentially breaking the law, is where I think the pejorative of SJW exists. That isn't social justice, that's overreaching on ones own social whims..

I consider myself very socially conscious and wouldnt consider myself a warrior, that to me just seems odd. I'm a citizen with a moral compass, not a warrior.

 

[DonIago]

Oh please.

SJWs are not about "justice", they are cultural Marxists. They literally dress up in clothes to conceal their identity and physically attack people in the streets because they dare to speak out against Leftist tyranny. And people get banned from social media for speaking out against it because that is how left wing fascism operates.

"Civility" is free speech. Getting folks fired from their jobs, beaten up in the streets, and banned from forums just because they voted for someone you dislike isn't "civility", it's fascism dressed up as political correctness.

So...what you just said should be okay, but suggesting that Trump and his supporters are Nazis should not be?

 

[GeekUSACarl]

So...what you just said should be okay, but suggesting that Trump and his supporters are Nazis should not be?

This is a big takeaway I think many would benefit from.

Anyone who supports trump is not a nazi, the vsdt majority are average joes. I say that as a sanders supporter through and through.

Just because someone believes in a social justice concept or likes ME andromeda doesn't make them this hard to define "sjw"

It just seems like petty and rotten things people want to sling at one another for no reason that I can find.

 

[Feron]

So...what you just said should be okay, but suggesting that Trump and his supporters are Nazis should not be?

If people are allowed on these forums to call the President of the United States and those who voted for him Nazis, then please tell me what is a worse insult than that.

As I said in an earlier comment, my father fought against and was badly wounded in WWII fighting the real Nazis. To slander him and millions of other heroes just because they voted Republican is abhorrent.

"SJW" is not even in the same ballpark of offensiveness to being called a Nazi.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

"SJW" is not even in the same ballpark of offensiveness to being called a Nazi.

That could depend on the person no? Someone calls me a nazi, its so far fetched I wouldn't notice. I've been called sjw or libtard for various things and that one has a tendency to matter.

I think one of the biggest problems is each side thinks their side gets it the worst and that what they call the other isn't as bad. When in reality its pretty petty to sling them around at all.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I'm gonna bow out of the social discussion on this one and get back to nerd talk but I gotta say for the most part this one was pretty civil and I rather enjoyed it

 

[Feron]

That could depend on the person no? Someone calls me a nazi, its so far fetched I wouldn't notice. I've been called sjw or libtard for various things and that one has a tendency to matter.

I think one of the biggest problems is each side thinks their side gets it the worst and that what they call the other isn't as bad. When in reality its pretty petty to sling them around at all.

The problem is though, as Antifa has amply demonstrated, is that once someone has been labeled as a Nazi it is considered completely OK to deprive them of any rights or basic decency. They can be punched in the street before being allowed to say a word. They can have speaking events cancelled by rioting mobs. They can be fired from their jobs, and so on without even getting a moment to attempt to defend their name.

The fact that the accusations are almost always completely false doesn't matter, all that matters is the "seriousness of the charge". A Nazi deserves no hearing, so once the accusation is made then the activists have successfully acted as judge, jury, and executioner.

 

[Feron]

I'm gonna bow out of the social discussion on this one and get back to nerd talk but I gotta say for the most part this one was pretty civil and I rather enjoyed it

No worries, I enjoy talking with you as well.

 

[nightwind1]

But the problem is that the enforcement is one-sided.

On these forums, it is completely acceptable to make inferences that Trump and his supporters are Nazis, for example, but something as innocuous as "SJW" is treated as a hate-crime.{/QUOTE]
Not everyone who supports Cheeto Benito are Nazis, but every Nazi in the US supports Cheeto Benito.

 

[nightwind1]

The problem is though, as Antifa has amply demonstrated, is that once someone has been labeled as a Nazi it is considered completely OK to deprive them of any rights or basic decency. They can be punched in the street before being allowed to say a word. They can have speaking events cancelled by rioting mobs. They can be fired from their jobs, and so on without even getting a moment to attempt to defend their name

It IS okay for all for all of this to be done to Nazis. We had a war about it and everything. Maybe you heard about it?

Why would you even think of DEFENDING Nazis?

 

[Feron]

It IS okay for all for all of this to be done to Nazis. We had a war about it and everything. Maybe you heard about it?

Why would you even think of DEFENDING Nazis?

I know very well about WWII. My dad fought in it and was badly wounded in the Battle of the Bulge fighting against real Nazis and then was hospitalized in the UK for much of the rest of the war.

My dad was fighting for our freedom, you know, things that are considered outdated these days like freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the right to a trial with a presumption of innocence and so on.

Nazis were the folks in favor of burning books they didn't like, arresting people for saying things they didn't like and so on.

You don't fight Nazis by acting like them.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

You don't fight Nazis by acting like them.

And you also don't fight Nazis by giving them a platform in a democratic society. Which is why Nazis like Richard Spencer absolutely should be allowed to be punched in his fucking face and he should never be allowed to speak his hateful bullshit in public ever again. And anyone who says that he should be given a platform because free speech is really just collaborating.

EDIT: I should clarify I'm not saying you're defending people like Richard Spencer specifically, Feron, I'm just saying that when liberals talk about quelling Nazi speech, they're talking about people like Spencer, not run of the mill Trumpists.

 

[Feron]

And you also don't fight Nazis by giving them a platform in a democratic society.

If even highly offensive political viewpoints are banned, they it is neither a free nor democratic society.

As a famous saying puts it: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

And of course, keep in mind that in terms of people targeted by groups such as Antifa in the recent past, the overwhelming majority were in no way "Nazis". Mili Yiannopoulis, for example, is a gay Jewish man whose lecture they forced to be cancelled after they accused him of being a "Nazi".. The last time I checked, the real Nazis were not that fond of either gays or Jews, but that doesn't matter to the activists. They achieved their goal, the lecture was cancelled, people with Trump hats were beat up, Milo got fired from his job, etc.