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It was in desperate need of a reboot and what had worked in the past wont cut it these days.. they will preserve the spirit/tradition but absolute accuracy just to appease a few old timers will not happen nor should it

Wrong. About absolute accuracy I mean. You can have both; I mean a good movie and absolute accuracy, at very small cost, that is if you're paying attention. I mean, if you're serious about making movies. If you're not then why bother? Why not pay one or two people to find out whether the script you've got is in total contradiction to what amounts to a religion to millions of people. I mean it's just the future success of a multi-billion dollar franchise that's at stake.

The truth of this will be discovered in the subsequent films... IMO.
 
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Wrong. About absolute accuracy I mean. You can have both; I mean a good movie and absolute accuracy, at very small cost, that is if you're paying attention. I mean, if you're serious about making movies. If you're not then why bother? Why not pay one or two people to find out whether the script you've got is in total contradiction to what amounts to a religion to millions of people. I mean it's just the future success of a multi-billion dollar franchise that's at stake.

The truth of this will be discovered in the subsequent films... IMO.

It's not even the same timeline, ie: not the same universe.. there goes your accuracy right there.. why should one universe be consistent with another?
 
My point exactly. Why call it Star Trek at all? Unless you've some special affection for the name. As we all do. Why would we argue about fiction at all if we didn't?

My reasons are as I have stated. Star Trek is supposed to be about the best in us as human beings. This film is not about the best in us for the reasons I have stated above. This offends me (on a low-medium level), and I could wish the writers would have taken their time to not piss me off, and to not to re-write the canon of a show I have really enjoyed watching since I was born. Moreover I think this strategy will come back to "bite them in the ass". Sooner or Later.

We shall see.
 
My reasons are as I have stated. Star Trek is supposed to be about the best in us as human beings.

Very harsh considering the first 15 minutes.. Kelvin was close to the best example of what you are talking about in any film or series.. the rest of the film had trouble living up to it but only because the bar was set so impossibly high in the opening
 
It was in desperate need of a reboot and what had worked in the past wont cut it these days.. they will preserve the spirit/tradition but absolute accuracy just to appease a few old timers will not happen nor should it/QUOTE]

Wrong. About absolute accuracy I mean. You can have both; I mean a good movie and absolute accuracy, at very small cost, that is if you're paying attention. I mean, if you're serious about making movies. If you're not then why bother? Why not pay one or two people to find out whether the script you've got is in total contradiction to what amounts to a religion to millions of people. I mean it's just the future success of a multi-billion dollar franchise that's at stake.

The truth of this will be discovered in the subsequent films... IMO.

tos didnt even have constant internal absolute accuracy.
 
TOS was made on a shoestring. The movie was made for hundreds of millions of dollars, forty years after an original Star Trek canon was laid down and reinforced by sequel shows and a whole solar system of extra stuff.

Come on, game shows have more internal accuracy to their original concept than the Star Trek movie did to Star Trek as Gene Roddenberry laid it out. Spock marooned Kirk! Why be irritated about it? I would say why NOT be irritated about it. It's all in good fun. I have a few hours to kill.
 
Isn't all that training designed to determine if you are Captain material?

So he saves the Federation captaining the Enterprise and they make him... what.. Lutienant?

If you find a Michael Jordan do you keep him in the lower leagues until he has served his apprenticeship?

Bad analogy. Jordan was playing basketball his whole life. Played in high school. Played in college. Then was drafted. He worked his ass off, proved himself day after day, in game after game, year after year, then he got to go to the big times.

Not at all.. captaincy equates to the big league

Exactly, and that's why the analogy fails. In order to be as good as Micheal Jordan was in the NBA, he had to have worked, hard, at basketball all through college, and all through high school, and probably all through middle school as well. That's the kind of sheer dedication to his craft that made him Air Jordan.

Kirk, on the other hand, possesses raw talen in spades, but has done almost nothing to harness it. He's attended three years of Starfleet Academy, and he hasn't even finished his third year when this movie takes place. There's no indication he's actually worked, and I mean seriously, nose-to-the-grindstone worked, during his time there; admittedly we don't see much, but what we do see consists of him bedding an Orion girl and him flagrantly, and unimaginatively, cheating at the Kobiyashi Maru test. There's no mention of time spent out in space or on ships, and frankly, from the way Kirk acts once he's on Enterprise I don't get any sense of his having learned anything at all about effectively leading people or respecting the chain of command.

So, to sum up. The difference between Jordan and Kirk? Jordan worked his ass off to get where he was, Kirk just fell into a position of undeserved influence based on who his dad was (the only reason anyone tried to get him into Starfleet) and that he was nominally in command when Spock and Sulu saved the day.
 
It seems to me , most of us agree on what was good and what was bad and I agree too. I would say that Mcoy didn't have enough interaction. I wasalways under the impression that Mcoy was older than Kirk by 5-10 years no more and spock was the oldest, but not by agian5-10 years . As far as the music , it was repeatative , but I loved Nero's music , it sounded like clasic. bad guy/ monster music . Hopefully the sequil will have the morality tale and more drama and they will clear up the other issues, like making engineering look better.
 
Bad analogy. Jordan was playing basketball his whole life. Played in high school. Played in college. Then was drafted. He worked his ass off, proved himself day after day, in game after game, year after year, then he got to go to the big times.

Not at all.. captaincy equates to the big league

Exactly, and that's why the analogy fails. In order to be as good as Micheal Jordan was in the NBA, he had to have worked, hard, at basketball all through college, and all through high school, and probably all through middle school as well.

That's rubbish, in my sport (Aussie Rules) we have two kids at my club alone (Clarke and Pendlebury of Collingwood Football Club) who both picked up a football for the 1st time less than 3 years ago, one comes from a basketball background and the other is an Irishman with a Gaelic football (soccer ball based) background.. both were elevated to the senior team based on athletic ability and sheer skill without any of the junior training you refer to.. Pendlebury is already touted as the next Captain of our club at the age of 21
 
Are you kidding? My posts were much funnier...
Did you hear the one about the ham sandwich that goes into Quark's?
 
Scotty, just seemed too silly. Didn't like the Engineering seen where he was just running around throwing out phrases, but didn't really do much. "I'm giving her all shes got Captain!" and all he was doing was running around on the platform.

They tried too hard to be funny, and it came across as stupid. Scotty being beamed into the water pipe was just plain dumb.

The ENT reference about "Admiral Archer's prized beagel." I love the fact that they referenced ENT, but that reference was just stupid and wrong. Archer would have been long dead.

TIME TRAVEL. I am just so sick of it. I understand they needed something hard to change the story up a bit, but Time Travel has been played out.

There was just something off about Nimoy. Maybe he just lost his touch or his heart just wasn't into it. It seemed he just mailed it in.

The Bridge seemed too small and cramped.

I didn't mind Kirk being jumped straight to Captain. I felt it was acceptable for two reasons:

1. A large chunck of the Federation was just taken out so I am sure there were alot of quick promotions.

2. Pike was just promoted to Admiral. So I am sure the Kirk to Captain thing was his decision.
 
Ok, my list:

1) Lens flares
2) Engineering/shuttlebays
3) Kirk during the Kobi retake.
4) the "Archer's beagle" gag
5) frenetic fight scenes, esp the ship to ship combats

Those were the big issues. Not deal-breakers (I LOVED the movie), but could (and should) have been done better or not at all.
 
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