Things you didn't like

[McMenemy00]

I am photosensitive and get migraines from bright lights.

The first time I watched I ended up with a terrible headache, so I hated the strobes, flares and bright lights.

However when I went with my friends none of them seemed to notice any bright lights.

What really bugs me the most about the film is when Kirk is the Narada.

When being dangled over the ledge by the Romulan he grabs his gun shoots him and then drops the gun to grab the ledge and pull himself up.

He then picks the gun back up and goes off to rescue Pike.

However, when he jumps across to land of the ledge you can clearly see the gun already lying on the ground as he jumps over.

I noticed it the first time I saw and on the 2 subsequent viewings it really bugged me.

Also Kirk seemed to lose a lot of phasers over the edge of things.

Never mind the bloody engineer he lost over the side. i mean seriously, even Wii remotes have wrist straps.

About that engineer, you have one secret shot via space dive to blow the damn thing up and Pike doesn't think giving everyone a few charges is a good idea? No of course not. After all they didn't need bloody explosives just a few shots from a hand phaser, so why not use this nice new rapid fire phasers onboard the flagship. Cretin.

 

[gastrof]

...The other thing that bothers me is the fact that Spock Prime was on Delta Vega when Vulcan blew up and he *saw* the whole thing... wasn't Delta Vega near the Galactic Barrier (Where no man has gone before), or are we meant to believe that Vulcan's too? It's a minor nitpick but I really think it unlikely that the planets were so close together.

My impression of this is that it wasn't something Spock had literally seen.

Remember, we saw this from Kirk's standpoint in the mind meld.

Remember when the Intrepid was eaten by the giant space germ? Spock felt all the Vulcans onboard die all at once.

I'm gonna guess that when Vulcan fell into the black hole, Spock "saw" it happen, and the visual we got simply represented that, as picked up on by Kirk.

Let's face it. Two bodies in space that near each other would have to be a planet and its moon, and as we know, Vulcan has no moon.

Nah. Delta Vega isn't within line of sight of Vulcan. Not the way depicted. It was simply symbolism.

 

[Claudia]

I'm gonna guess that when Vulcan fell into the black hole, Spock "saw" it happen, and the visual we got simply represented that, as picked up on by Kirk.

Nah. Delta Vega isn't within line of sight of Vulcan. Not the way depicted. It was simply symbolism.

Yes, I can live with that explanation of Spock's witnessing Vulcan's destruction.

But it doesn't make any sense for Kirk to be at Delta Vega in the first place. He was ejected en route to the rest of the fleet. We know Delta Vega is right at the rim of the galaxy - why should the fleet conduct their training there and not somewhere a bit more accessible?

Again, it's a minor nitpick - but OTOH, there were many planets from the TOS to choose from that would have been more plausible just in terms of distance and location, it needn't have been that one.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I wasn't keen on old Spock's last line either, I would have liked old spock saying something then a cut to young Spock echoing it on the bridge.

I actually mouthed along with what i THOUGHT the final line was going to be

"And so it begins, again."

Better than what they did fill his mouth with.

No.

 

[SpocKirk]

Star Trek is mythology.. picking it apart and demanding accuracy is like the Christian trying to interpret the bible literally and historically when it was actually written by mystics in the language of the unconscious (symbolism and allegory)

The characters are mythic, and there are archetypes hinted at barely seen below the surface.. the story is other worldy, unbelievable even.. but that's really the whole point

 

[McMenemy00]

Star Trek is mythology.. picking it apart and demanding accuracy is like the Christian trying to interpret the bible literally and historically when it was actually written by mystics in the language of the unconscious (symbolism and allegory)

The characters are mythic, and there are archetypes hinted at barely seen below the surface.. the story is other worldy, unbelievable even.. but that's really the whole point

How many of the female characters in this movie would you describe as mystic? Everyone of them is purely defined by there relationships to men (gf, wife, mother) As usual with Mr J.J.'s work there is a huge amount of mysogony, I assume because he has heard about girls, maybe even had a few delivered, but I doubt he has ever actually had a conversation with one.

 

[McMenemy00]

I wasn't keen on old Spock's last line either, I would have liked old spock saying something then a cut to young Spock echoing it on the bridge.

I actually mouthed along with what i THOUGHT the final line was going to be

"And so it begins, again."

Better than what they did fill his mouth with.

No.

So thrusters to maximum works better for you? He's standing alone issuing an order to the helm, no reflection on the change in timeline, on the destruction of Vulcan or the coming together of his younger self and two bestest friends in the whole wide world, not to mention the most remarkable crew in starfleets history.

I thought it was a subtle reference to his impending mental problems.
"Imaginary helmsman, thrusters to maximum."

 

[tauzo]

For me the movie came to a screeching halt when Kirk finds future Spock on Delta Vega. When any movie has to stop and engage in a narrative, like Spocks mindmeld with Kirk, you've got a problem. The whole back story about a supernova threatening the entire galaxy, red matter, Spock handling the situation instead of Starfleet, Nero blaming Spock, and the convoluted time travel scenario, really slowed things down. The movie didn't get back on tract until Kirk and Scotty beamed out.

The first time through, I thought it just dragged a little, but the second round - holy moly - it was so awful. Very stagnant scene. (Though the "bullsh!t" line was a nice little character moment for our new Kirk.)

I still enjoyed the movie, but it's feeling more like saturday-morning-cartoon enjoyment way than an epic action scifi enjoyment.

The movie would have been better served with less future Spock. It just didn't work well.

... glad someone else thought so, too!

 

[Pindar]

Another thing I didn't like was the distinct lack of Sombreros.

Your Calvin and Hobbes avatar is awesome.

Best of all the Sombrero av's

 

[Squiggy]

Given what some of you people are bitching about, I'm beginning to wonder if you've EVER liked ANY Star Trek movie.

 

[Jeyl]

KIRK

Why? Why should I like him? What was to like? He was rude, arrogant and a sexual harassing womanizer. And no, the original Kirk was no where near those levels of indignity that this Kirk did in spades. While you may say that the original Kirk was all of those things, that is NOT what I liked about him!

 

[Pindar]

Given what some of you people are bitching about, I'm beginning to wonder if you've EVER liked ANY Star Trek movie.

I have loved them all, even the ones I hate.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

For me the movie came to a screeching halt when Kirk finds future Spock on Delta Vega. When any movie has to stop and engage in a narrative, like Spocks mindmeld with Kirk, you've got a problem. The whole back story about a supernova threatening the entire galaxy, red matter, Spock handling the situation instead of Starfleet, Nero blaming Spock, and the convoluted time travel scenario, really slowed things down. The movie didn't get back on tract until Kirk and Scotty beamed out.

The first time through, I thought it just dragged a little, but the second round - holy moly - it was so awful. Very stagnant scene. (Though the "bullsh!t" line was a nice little character moment for our new Kirk.)

I still enjoyed the movie, but it's feeling more like saturday-morning-cartoon enjoyment way than an epic action scifi enjoyment.

The movie would have been better served with less future Spock. It just didn't work well.

... glad someone else thought so, too!

I liked the bullsh!t line too. And I liked the movie.

Another thing I didn't like was the distinct lack of Sombreros.

Your Calvin and Hobbes avatar is awesome.

Best of all the Sombrero av's

Thanks much!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Given what some of you people are bitching about, I'm beginning to wonder if you've EVER liked ANY Star Trek movie.

Well, some of them get grandfathered in.

Anyway, it works the other way around - if people like a Trek movie they make excuses for its faults and if they don't like it they make federal cases out of its faults. The liking or not-liking comes first as a naive aesthetic response, but we're obsessive rationalizers so we invest a lot of energy in coming up with and defending our reasons.

 

[SpocKirk]

Star Trek is mythology.. picking it apart and demanding accuracy is like the Christian trying to interpret the bible literally and historically when it was actually written by mystics in the language of the unconscious (symbolism and allegory)

The characters are mythic, and there are archetypes hinted at barely seen below the surface.. the story is other worldy, unbelievable even.. but that's really the whole point

How many of the female characters in this movie would you describe as mystic? Everyone of them is purely defined by there relationships to men (gf, wife, mother) As usual with Mr J.J.'s work there is a huge amount of mysogony, I assume because he has heard about girls, maybe even had a few delivered, but I doubt he has ever actually had a conversation with one.

We had the great mother in the opening scene giving birth to the universe out of the chaos and then later the goddess Venus balancing and taming the intellect.. polarity (man woman) is the cornerstone of this universe so of course the women are defined by men just as men are defined by their relationship to women.. it sounds like you have have colored Mr Abrahams with your own politics

 

[T'Bonz]

Given what some of you people are bitching about, I'm beginning to wonder if you've EVER liked ANY Star Trek movie.

Come on, half the fun is picking the thing to pieces.

I've seen it three times and love the movie. It has flaws; it has mistakes; I hate the two destructions, but it was a very entertaining movie. It has moved into the 2nd-best Trek movie slot.

The Kelvin bit in the beginning, to me, was perfect. They just nailed that.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

The Kelvin bit in the beginning, to me, was perfect. They just nailed that.

Yes, very dramatic with great music. Very well done.

 

[Pindar]

Another thing that bugged me was Nero's missing ear tip.

He had both at the start, I presume he lost it during the cut Klingon stuff.

 

[seigezunt]

The slug re-used from TWOK.

 

[T'Bonz]

Whatever happened to plain old truth serum?