Things we only realized later about DS9

Speaking of Vedeks grabbing ears, no one has ever said, "Your pagh is weak."

It makes you wonder if that is their version of a snake oil salesman's lines.

 

Many years ago, there was a thread in this forum on that very topic, how no one said someone had a bad Pagh. It made me wonder what the grabbing of the ear actually did. Is the Pagh the Bajoran version of the Rules of Acquisition?

 

But there was the time that Winn gave Weyoun the big sass after squeezing his pagh.

 

True. But all she said was that they were nothing alike.

Ironically, she was right... Weyoun could be considered a more loyal person than Winn.

 

Agreed, I've always been a pessimist but even I have been shocked at how the 2020s in North America resembles the DS9 dystopia of Gabriel Bell.

 

With the fascist movements in the USA, it also resembles the 21st century of the Star Trek novel Federation.

 

Perhaps not snake oil as such. Perhaps over the centuries it has just become a semi-ritual greeting, the kind of thing one expects a Vedek to say. Much like we wish each other 'good morning' but not 'bad morning'. Though they don't do it always, and they also seem to actually feel something when they feel someone else's pagh (but that could of course be part of the act).

 

Home Front / Paradise Lost was a superb allegory about 9/11 and the resulting demolition of civil liberties and militarisation of US society.

 

Pretty good trick, writing an allegory about an event that wouldn't happen until 5 years later. Maybe they should have forgotten about writing for TV and just picked stocks

 

The best stories are the ones we can learn from/see parallels in after the fact.

 

No transcripting is going to be perfect (and a ton of effort is involved)... it's like closed captioning, only not in real time. Especially when (here comes the digression, whee!) watching that show from the 1990s with all the bleeps, what was it called... "The Jerry Springer Show". In tandem, it could be easy to piece it together what was being said, when the transcriptionist didn't do an oopsie and put out the swear in full in the caption text... Woops...

 

^^exactly that. DS9 and other sci-fi can and do take generic types of incidents that happen across the world and play with them as works of fiction and/or allegory. Even "The Enterprise Incident" was based off "The Pueblo Incident", though that's a local thing. Any historical event would be used and there are only so many patterns. Nobody's predicting anything. They used real life incidents as plot and character fodder. It's not like each new generation that plops out has all the race memory of everyone and every action preceding it or anything, since if that were true we'd all be the best mechanics, art designers, and (you name it) right from the get-go.

 

The notion of people losing or surrendering their civil rights to the government in the wake of a calamity is nothing new.

 

Root beer is insidious.

 

It tastes like the stuff they give you to gargle at the dentist's.

 

Wow... I wish I went to your dentist.

 

There is a thread in the TOS side that has the same topic, and I put in a DS9 observation thinking it was for all shows. (I have 'watched threads' all over the place and just didn't pay attention to the section it was in.)

So I am wondering if there are some things on a rewatch you missed the first time. (Or the first dozen times. ) I will start.


Morn... later in the series, he was mentioned as being somewhat of a ladies' man. It wasn't until recently while I am tracking all his appearances that I see this to be completely true!

My wife and I are up to "THE ABANDONED" in season 3 right now, and not only does he almost always seem to be on a date with a woman, but with a different one every time! This became even more obvious in the teaser of "THE HOUSE OF QUARK", where Morn is leaving the bar with a dabo girl... and he's giving Quark a thumbs up.

Assuming it existed, if I knew how to upload a meme of Tom Cruise as the producer from TROPIC THUNDER going "Plaaaaaayer... plaaaaaayer", I'd put it up here for Morn.


What about everyone else? Big or small observations. Temba, his arms wide.

 

Can we merge this with my previous thread? https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/things-we-only-realized-later-about-ds9.313063/

 

Damn, I see that thread now. It was even on my watched threads list. (Too many watched threads.) I feel like an idiot.

Yes, please merge if possible. Laura, apologies for hijacking your thread idea.

 

My wife made an interesting observation, and it's something that never occured to me.

In "DRAMATIS PERSONAE", Sisko was building a clock while under the telepathic energy influence. At the end, he tells Kira he has no idea why. I always thought he was building it because at his core, he is a builder. But the fact that it was a clock... my wife thought it could have been foreshadowing of his being part Prophet. I know the writers didn't plan that to happen that far in advance, but it was a nice little tidbit that fits with what we find out later.