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Things we have now that Prime universe Trek did not foresee

If we have the Queen's medical care (and lifestyle) we will be just fine.
If the Queen had to make use of standard British public health, do you think she's still be alive? I would imagine she has doctors now at her beck and call.
I think its diet related, too much processed and junk food IMO.
Part of the reason people are living long (I think) has less to do with medical advance, which of course there have been, but access to knowledge. Many people can simple go online and find out what it takes to live longer. Not that everyone will use the knowledge.
Beverly is amazed that Picard would have a headache, but Riker is not
Riker strikes me as someone who gets out and about and talks to a wide range of people, to say the least he's social.

Also he's capable of accepting things that are outside of the orthodoxy. People in the 24th century get headaches and Riker both knows and accepts this, Crusher (with her training) can't accept the truth in front of her.

Picard knew to call what he was experiencing "a headache."
 
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Also he's capable of accepting things that are outside of the orthodoxy. People in the 24th century get headaches and Riker both knows and accepts this, Crusher (with her training) can't accept the truth in front of her.
Crusher has access to a medical database of billions of cases, Riker only knows the people he met and maybe some hearsay about people he didn't meet. One would think Crusher would be the one with the most extensive knowledge.

Picard knew to call what he was experiencing "a headache."

Well, his head was aching so....
 
Stress causes headaches. You'd think Bev would have had plenty of her own, studying to be a doctor, being married, having to clean up baby Wesley barf off the rug...and of course, serving on the Enterprise-D. ("Hello, Reg...*sigh*...*mutters* not again...")
 
Riker only knows the people he met and maybe some hearsay about people he didn't meet. One would think Crusher would be the one with the most extensive knowledge.
Not really. I mentioned orthodoxy, of the different hero cast doctors we've seen, Crusher is obviously the least free thinking of the bunch. Modern medical thinking of that year could insist that Human Being don't experience headaches, and so Crusher is incapable of accepting that any Human can walk into her sickbay with a headache.

She is blinded by "settled science."
 
Not really. I mentioned orthodoxy, of the different hero cast doctors we've seen, Crusher is obviously the least free thinking of the bunch. Modern medical thinking of that year could insist that Human Being don't experience headaches, and so Crusher is incapable of accepting that any Human can walk into her sickbay with a headache.

She is blinded by "settled science."
Or she was worried Jean Luc would use it as an excuse for later....'Not tonight dear, I have a headache'
 
Not really. I mentioned orthodoxy, of the different hero cast doctors we've seen, Crusher is obviously the least free thinking of the bunch. Modern medical thinking of that year could insist that Human Being don't experience headaches, and so Crusher is incapable of accepting that any Human can walk into her sickbay with a headache.

She is blinded by "settled science."

Nope, Crusher is supposed to have access to every case of each disease that ever happened in the federation. The way she talks to Picard, he must be one in a billion.
 
Crusher is supposed to have access to every case of each disease that ever happened in the federation.
Yet another doctor had to travel to the Enterprise after Crusher was incapable of employing a new surgical technique on Worf's spine herself.

Pulaski was able of offering LaForge a surgical option to restoring his vision, Crusher never could.

Crusher "knew" Worf could never walk again, so she didn't try to repair his back. She "knew" LaForge's vision couldn't be repair. Certainly the method Pulaski advocated would have been in this medical data base you spoke of.
 
Yet another doctor had to travel to the Enterprise after Crusher was incapable of employing a new surgical technique on Worf's spine herself.

Pulaski was able of offering LaForge a surgical option to restoring his vision, Crusher never could.

Crusher "knew" Worf could never walk again, so she didn't try to repair his back. She "knew" LaForge's vision couldn't be repair. Certainly the method Pulaski advocated would have been in this medical data base you spoke of.

So you're arguing that the Senior medical officer of the most advanced ship of the federation, is incompetent?
 
I'm arguing that Crusher is at best a pretty average doctor, she is not the most innovated that we've seen, and that she is tied to conventional accepted thought concerning the state of (then) modern medicine.
 
I'm arguing that Crusher is at best a pretty average doctor, she is not the most innovated that we've seen, and that she is tied to conventional accepted thought concerning the state of (then) modern medicine.

She did turn the Enterprise into a primitive jungle with only one injection, that's rather unconventional.
 
1. Multi-core processors. We can easily retcon it to say they meant a server room with many processors when they said "computer core", but the fact remains that the intention at the time was that the Enterprise-D had 3 cores. The computer I'm typing this on has 4.

2. Firewalls and isolated, dedicated computer systems. If something got into "the ship's computer", it could get pretty much anywhere. There should have been no way that the holodeck (an entertainment device) could touch the essential operating systems of the ship without someone (like Barclay) intentionally allowing it, and there's no reason any of that should touch data storage or processing for the replicators.

3. Encryption and strong passwords. At the time, the password Data used to lock out command functions in that episode where he hijacked the ship seemed pretty impossible. But knowing how quickly it could be found *now* by a zombie network means it would be utterly trivial for a late 24th century computer system. And it was the most complex password shown. The shield prefix codes seemed horribly silly to me *at the time*, and the simplicity of the destruct codes should have been putting the ship in danger all the time. And the idea that just because Kirk's Enterprise could intercept the Romulan transmission in "Balance of Terror" should mean they could *decrypt* it so easily as to be able to look at the Romulan bridge is absurd to us, now.

4. Socially acceptable relationships and marriage equality for gay people. We *just* had our first apparently gay character. (I mean "apparent" in the sense that we can tell, not to question whether or not he is. Lt. Hawk in First Contact was gay, but there was *no* indication on screen.)

5. Realistic industrial-style robots and other hardware/software automation. This was done almost-correctly exactly *twice* that I can recall - the exocomps, and the automated repair station in Enterprise. In both cases, there was a plot twist, though: the exocomps became self-aware, and the station was part of an evil plot. Never that I can recall did we just see something simple and straight-forward like non-self-aware robots working on damage on the outside of the ship.

6. Wi-Fi. This is a weird one, because it seems like sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't. The tricorders could tie-in to the ship's computer, but Data needed a big honking cable stuck into his head to interface. I know that was partially for the viewers, but c'mon: letting the viewers know what was going on could have been achieved in dialog or by having Spiner consistently do a gesture or other expression in a specific way that indicated he had connected.

I find it hard to believe that whatever causes two members of the same sex to try to mate with each other, or causes an individual to be born the "wrong gender" won't be eradicated several hundred years from now. It's only our stupid human prejudices (that will hopefully be eradicated too by then) that makes us think these dysfunctions are at all "normal". While we argue about "equality" corporations are getting away with this:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...derbending-chemicals-affect-reproduction.aspx

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/health-jan-june11-bpastudy_06-27/

Just google this yourself and read. See if you can overcome your own cognitive dissonance, and think clearly.
 
whatever causes two members of the same sex to try to mate with each other
Desire?
or causes an individual to be born the "wrong gender"
Genetics?
won't be eradicated several hundred years from now
Legal rights?
It's only our stupid human prejudices (that will hopefully be eradicated too by then)
I sure any prejudices eradicated will be replace by new ones.
that makes us think these dysfunctions are at all "normal".
Because they are?
 
Desire?
Genetics?
Legal rights?
I sure any prejudices eradicated will be replace by new ones.
Because they are?
I said hopefully the prejudice would be eradicated by then, are you trying to prove to me it is not eradicated now? Your post reads like the liberal's bible. There is proof that environmental pollutants are behind gender problems. Does your prejudice compels you to ignore that to hang onto your beliefs?
 
Clearly, you joined this board to serve as a flaming bigot. Not a very laudable goal.

I joined the board to express my points of view, not be called names. Prejudice and beliefs that defy facts are extremely hard to let go of. We live in the 'Great Age of Misinformation and Denial' Did you read the articles I posted? Of course you didn't. The information they contain goes against the liberal propaganda people are fed day and night. Another subject that might interest you is "Cognitive Dissonance" (Google) it explains why people hold onto beliefs even when presented with facts.

I restate my position: I hope hundreds of years from now people are free from prejudices brought on by misinformation.

Thank you for responding to my post.
 
There is proof that environmental pollutants are behind gender problems.
Homosexuality dates back many thousands of years, transgenderism was present in native american peoples long before the arrivial of europeans (one example).

Now yes, exposure to chemicals can result in physical and behavior changes, but surely you're not suggesting that this is somehow the sole (or even primary) reason for the presence of gays.
 
I remember the Star Trek TNG, Generation; when Picard got a news that his nephew was dead. To get the information, the captain has to go to the archway (holodeck door) and read the E-mail from the monitor on the wall. That's so old, but I understand. Although he could just take out his handheld device (tricoder? handphone? or whatever it is) and read a kind of 24th century WhatsApp or SMS from his family at home.

But for the sake of range; yes, the Enterprise is far away from Earth. Maybe civilian social media service can't reach him. So his family sent the news via official subspace transmission to the Enterprise. But inside the ship, Picard does not need to read the message on his computer. They should be able to transfer the news into his handheld device so he can read the information on the spot. Just like us today.

I don't blame them, as when Star Trek Generation went into big screen, nobody aware of handheld like today Android or Iphone. Nobody know SMS, WhatsApp etc. But for the sake of 21st century Audiance, they have update this matter in the new Show. Well, TNG has communicator badge that we can considered as future handphone. But what about the visual communication service?
 
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Although he could just take out his handheld device
Picard was on the holodeck in a elaborate period costume, would he of had a padd on him?

At the beginning of First Contact, Picard got up from where he was resting and walked to his deck to answer a important call, he didn't just whip out his phone.

I know people who are pathologically incapable of putting down their phones, but personally I don't have a problem occasionally letting go of mine.
 
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