Spoilers Things that grind my gears about S3

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Kahlesh, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. nic3636

    nic3636 Commander Red Shirt

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    I think the biggest thing that grinds my gears with Discovery in general is their inability to stick the landing.

    Season 1 was good right up until they got back from the mirror universe. After that it made no sense and the S1 finale was really really awful.

    Season 2 was pretty good throughout (Pike and Spock were great and If Memory Serves was the best episode of the series). It got a little convoluted with the showrunners getting fired and the pivot from the signals to control, but not terrible. The S2 finale was the least bad of the three. My biggest complaint was the ship battle nearly gave me a seizure with all the spinning ships and flashing lights and I couldn't really see anything.

    Season 3 was also good up through the mirror universe two parter. After that it crashed and burned (except for the part about Osyrra trying to negotiate for which was interesting). The cause of the burn was underwhelming, the action wasn't really interesting to watch, was pointless, and made no sense and then everything gets resolved in the last minute of the show (Emerald Chain falls apart, etc.).

    Because the show can't stick the landing, it just leaves a bad taste in your mouth and the worst part of the season is the most recent thing in your memory.
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    I think, again, that's where I am completely different. If a show doesn't stick the landing then I just avoid the landing. I'll go back to what I like and continue forward with the things I like. Though, I am obviously OK with Season 3 since the ending works just fine for me, and like the cause of the Burn.

    So, if a show is leaving a bad taste in my mouth I go find a part that doesn't.

    ETA: Best example is "These are the Voyages." Ignored, while Demons and Terra Prime works quite well.
     
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  3. nic3636

    nic3636 Commander Red Shirt

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    Yeah, I think that starts to happen over time (I've basically blocked These are the Voyages from my memory). Still too soon for me for this season though.
     
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    Fair enough. I tend to be more proactive when it comes to viewing. Usually because I'm already rewatching things once I finish. I don't tend to move on from shows quickly once they are done so it is easy to do.

    Mileage will vary.
     
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    I’m not a fan of their take on the 32nd century. It just doesn’t feel that more advanced than Discovery’s era. Plus I don’t buy they would be still using warp and Dilithium as their main way of travel.
    I think this whole warp/burn story would have worked better in the mid 25th century. That way it would have been more believable that they would be still using warp and Dilithium. That way they could explain why the shortage lead to new forms of travel being developed, which leads to things like the proposed “trans slipstream” drive the Enterprise J had and the temporal drive the relativity has later on.
     
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  6. David Hanley

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    1. I don't understand why its such a bad idea? I mean the whole ship can travel through mushrooms instantly, so the fact the nacelles detach is really neither here nor there at this stage for me.
    2. It certainly breaks with whatever it is that fans are calling Rodenberry's Utopia, and it jars a bit with everything we have seen so far. I do think everything is being built for our heroes to rebuild the federation, so starting from rock bottom adds to that story....we will see.
    3. We are still building walls now - with flaws in them.
    4. I think, it was obviously meant to disgust her. Rather than be scientifically accurate. Its a bit like refusing to answer why do chickens cross the road citing that roads are not within a chickens usual habitat.
    5. Horrible, completely broke the world building, made it unbelievable, worst scene so far by a looooooong way. And all of that for a really crappy fight scene. Definitely not worth it.
    6. I didn't mind it at all. It was personal. Which is very Trek. Challenging the morality of the federation for not prioritising that child, the guilt he feels when he finds out what he caused, etc etc.

    Aside from the turbo lifts, I don't enjoy the constant shoe-horning of moral wobbling on behalf of Burnham. There is a constant theme of her going off the rails, before riding back to the rescue. This is getting tiresome. They need to find new ways for her character to grow in Season 4. I want to like her, I want her to be my hero and get behind her despite her moral quandries as we do with other Trek characters, I just couldn't so far.
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    Michael doesn't need to be the hero.
     
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    1. I don't disagree with this at all and in fact have mentioned it myself; it seems like it was stolen straight out of Star Wars. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something. From an engineering viewpoint I don't see how something that is integrally important to the entire ship should be detachable like that. Seems to me it would take a great deal of power to keep them magnetically 'attached' like that, power that could be used elsewhere (like shields or weapons).
    2. Eh, not necessarily. Post-Burn, suddenly life got difficult for everyone everywhere. Imagine if you will that suddenly no motorized ground or air transportation would work anymore; what would your life be like? As an example, what was a 1 hour round-trip to the grocery store suddenly takes all day -- and the store doesn't have half the stuff they used to carry because it's got to come by wagon train instead of truck or train. Now expand that to a galactic quadrant scale.
    3. Silliness. However: we keep finding critical bugs in OS's and software that were there for years or even decades. So maybe not so silly? Also: a comedic opportunity for Georgio to be the mischevious Queen Bitch of the Multiverse that she is. :lol::hugegrin:
    4. Not touching this one, I just washed my hands. :hugegrin:
    5. Yeah, I know, right? Is Discovery spatially transcendental? Is The Doctor going to sue them for copyright infringement? :hugegrin:
    6. ..Eh, yeah, meh. But on the other hand it would have been too obvious for it to have been enemy action, or angry non-corporeals teaching us ephemerals a lesson/putting us in our place/etc. But on the gripping hand, 'a butterfly flaps it's wings', or 'a child screams in abject despair'. Strikes me as somewhat profound.
     
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    Out of Star Wars? I've watched a lot of SW, especially lately, but i don't recall such things.I see it more in other science fiction art. But, then, I also don't see the issue so maybe I'm just blind.
    It's more profound than perhaps is given credit for, at least from my point of view. Largely because human society at large doesn't take childhood trauma seriously. The Burn was devastating-yes, and imagine how he felt.

    Also, a child causing the Burn? Sounds straight out of TOS.
     
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    very rarely and usually not something exploitable. But, especially, not bugs that people knew of centuries ago.
     
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    Three years ago a person found a bug in Windows 10 that could be traced back to the Windows NT operating system, 44 years old at the time. No, not exploitable but still possible.

    And I highly doubt that the hologram OS was nothing more than a deliberate test to see what people knew.
     
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    I tend to agree that Kovich merely created holos for Georgiou's level of knowledge to see how she would react because he knew how Terrans behave for the most part, and as he said, the only way he would gleam any information from her is to have her do the talking (and study her actions in the process).

    Also, on the subject of a person finding a bug in W10 that can be traced back 44 years... for Trek, this is a far more technologically advanced combination of societies. AI and adaptive algorithms would have found that problem and eliminated it (if not them, then someone would have found it long before it could be used - aka, long before the late 24th century, nevermind 32nd)... problem is, Trek writers don't seem to know the full extent of Federation technological abilities (or how to combine them), therefore, they use it in an extremely antiquated (primitive) way for the purpose of 'drama'.
     
  13. Paul Weaver

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    A but in Windows NT that predated Microsoft the company by 2 years?
     
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    Or, bugs can still happen and technology cannot cure all.
    Doesn't mean the code didn't exist.
     
  15. jackoverfull

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    Windows NT is from the mid 90s.
     
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    The problem came from the original DOS coding that NT, and other Windows OS, were built upon and designed to be compatible with older DOS programs. At least, if I'm understanding the article right.

    Basically, the base code had not been fully changed even as new things were added.
     
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    In any case, definitely not something so easy to exploit, especially by someone that is centuries out of time and so easily
     
  18. fireproof78

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    Hmmm...
    Which is why I don't think the 32nd holograms actually run that software.
     
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  19. Paul Weaver

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    NT’s lineage is from OS2, which itself dates back to late 80s

    the x86 architecture wasn’t introduced until 1978

    As to the original point, I’m happy Kovich owned the place - he wanted an exploit, there was one to have.

    Happy about isolationist Earth too. the other points (cause of burn mainly) were a let down I agree. As was the lone federation guy at the start of the season. No sense of scale (or lack of) it with the new federation.
     
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    The problem came from the code that NT was built upon, thus creating a much older error.

    My overall point is that holograms could have errors if the original code somehow referenced the wrong thing. It happens with current tech so why is Starfleet tech immune? I don't buy that Starfleet would have perfected all bugs at all times by any century.

    But, even that point is moot. I think Kovich was just :censored:ing with Georgiou. His dismissal shrug was one of the best parts of the season.