Things that don't add up the TNG edition
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To be fair, worth as a mass transit system, capable of making or breaking the commerce of whole worlds, vs worth as a temporarily interesting area of scientific research, that may or may not yield anything at all, are vastly different.
To the people at the bargaining table, it is not worth bargaining for at all, as a usable, bankable resource, & in fact, a lot of scientific research in their region is often open-ended domain. As a good relations measure, science study is usually free to anyone IIRC. They wouldn't be bartering & outbidding one another for access to something most of them wouldn't deny one another anyhow
It's like finding out your oil drill site is just a nice place for a park. Sure, parks aren't worthless, but relatively? They have no worth on a commodity exchange either
Unless research in the wormhole could lead to discover why this side is stable to a point they can stabilize other wormholes, or even direct the other end wherever they want.
Of course, there's the other side of the coin: perhaps this can be turned into a weapon? Dedicating a fair percentage of your GNP may then be appropriate.
Certainly the party in possession of the Barzan end could keep a few nova-bombs in readiness for the day when the other end happens on the enemy home system. Not noticeably crazier than the average weapons system ITRW.
Timo Saloniemi
Certainly the party in possession of the Barzan end could keep a few nova-bombs in readiness for the day when the other end happens on the enemy home system. Not noticeably crazier than the average weapons system ITRW.
Timo Saloniemi
Studying the wormhole, while certainly a beneficial objective, is only a temporary proposition in itself. Even if there's a chance at discoveries, there's no guarantee you'll get them before it's gone altogether. So going back to my park analogy... You wouldn't want to have to pay for admission, if there was a likely chance you'd get kicked out before you got to see what you wanted there. You hope you can find something there
Buying hope is a sucker's deal. The casino always wins
Buying hope is a sucker's deal. The casino always wins
In, "I Borg", ( the episode also known as "Should have Left Beverly on The Planet")
Lame material on the glove cuffs but more so the lame material in Guinan's hair covering while Picard and she are dry fencing.
Lame material on the glove cuffs but more so the lame material in Guinan's hair covering while Picard and she are dry fencing.
In, "I Borg", ( the episode also known as "Should have Left Beverly on The Planet")
Lame material on the glove cuffs but more so the lame material in Guinan's hair covering while Picard and she are dry fencing.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
You can't leave Beverly on a planet she's a redhead. Redheads are awesome.
Suuuuuure, she's a red head.
Miss Clairol color #105 dark red.
Oh snap....... Didn't think of that
He does. We just don't, and don't want to, see him plug the cord into his recharging socket, located somewhere below his on/off switch... which is another goofy thing that doesn't add up, especially if Dr Soong had any sense of humor...
Indeed, I believe "Red Dwarf" parodied this in the "Kryten's double polaroid" scene as Kryten was the parody of Data...Picard, a person who strongly opposes harming and exploitation of sentient clouds, parasites, self-aware tools etc., not only rides horses for fun but also owns a saddle, presumably so he can ride horse analogues on other planets.
This one goes without saying but I'll say it anyway: Data and his inability to form contractions.
Apart from the season one scripts that show him doing so, even several times in the one that has that little rule imposed ("Datalore" (aka "Data's Lore")
)Great point about the horses...
In "Encounter at Farpoint", Picard states he's informed that some William Riker is his shiny new first officer. In "The Pegasus", he tells Admiral Pressman he had sifted through a zillion resumes and liked Riker for being other than a token stick figure, which Riker often ended up looking like on screen during his time anyway...
Surely Data does not need to recharge by plugging into a power source. He is built to be an artificial version of a human in every possible way down to smallest detail. Whatever his power source is, it will last the full duration of his life. Maybe he needs to eat Uranium pucks or something.
Uhh, what about never having to eat makes Data "more humanlike"?
We know he recharges, as he says so. Moreover, he does it all the time. Apparently wirelessly, then (as since when did Star Trek gadgets require electric cables for charging?).
Except there is no such rule, least of all in "Datalore". All we hear is Lore teasing Data about his stilted way of speech, and Data not taking the bait but merely saying that yes, that's what he chooses to be like.
Data is always about "not mastering" this or that. It's just that he sets his standards high. He's an expert actor and liar, capable of any and all patterns of speech in many languages - when he plays pretend. When he doesn't, he speaks formally, meaning there are fairly few contractions.
Timo Saloniemi
We know he recharges, as he says so. Moreover, he does it all the time. Apparently wirelessly, then (as since when did Star Trek gadgets require electric cables for charging?).
Apart from the season one scripts that show him doing so, even several times in the one that has that little rule imposed ("Datalore" (aka "Data's Lore")
Except there is no such rule, least of all in "Datalore". All we hear is Lore teasing Data about his stilted way of speech, and Data not taking the bait but merely saying that yes, that's what he chooses to be like.
Data is always about "not mastering" this or that. It's just that he sets his standards high. He's an expert actor and liar, capable of any and all patterns of speech in many languages - when he plays pretend. When he doesn't, he speaks formally, meaning there are fairly few contractions.
Timo Saloniemi
The Promelian battlecruiser was a museum piece, Picard even makes a note to contact people about this in "Booby Trap" he then blows up the priceless relic because reasons. They could have towed it out of the asteroids once they had cleared the damping field.
I think that can be explained by Picard simply not wanting others to fall prey to that trap. If the cruiser was still intact, it could have enticed others to go aboard and get stuck like the Enterprise was.
True but they could have tractor beamed it out of the damping field once they were outside of its influence. Surely they have some kind of technology that could have extracted the ship like maybe tow cables or a harpoon. Oh that was before Picard's time I guess. Silly 24th Century people.
Whatever else happens, do not - really, do not - tell that to Al Bundy to his face.
Suuuuuure, she's a red head.
Miss Clairol color #105 dark red.
Season 3 onward she's Loreal Dune 8.0
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You are right (thanks!
). I looked up the transcript and while there is an inconsistency in some episodes about Data not being able to use contractions, that is also contradicted by this:LORE: Until they petitioned Soong to make a more comfortable, less perfect android. In other words, you, brother. Haven't you noticed how easily I handle human speech? I use their contractions. For example, I say can't or isn't, and you say can not or is not. (sings) I say tomato, you say tomahto. I say potato, you say potahto. (laughs) A very old joke. But then you also have trouble with their humour. Am I right?
DATA: Quite true. I keep trying to be more human, and keep failing.
DATA: Quite true. I keep trying to be more human, and keep failing.
Lore does imply Data cannot, but he doesn't say outright he is unable to.
In short, you're correct - there is no rule. In looking back, I thought was in this episode where it was definitively stated. (My bad!)
And it would make sense, copying Lore's firmware and altering it for Data would still have some bugs in some subsystems that would likely never get fixed. Just think what Lore, never mind Data, could do if they had the ability to make their own new features.
And Lore was telling the truth, per this bit from "Brothers", which also solidifies the programming issue (on many levels):
DATA: Lore also told me the colonists petitioned you to replace him with a less perfect android.
SOONG: The last thing you should think of yourself as, Data, is less perfect. The two of you are virtually identical, except for a bit of programming.
DATA: It was a lie. Another lie.
LORE: I would have proven myself worth to you, if you'd just given me a chance. But it was easier just to turn your back and build your precious Data.
SOONG: You were the first. You meant as much to me as Data ever did, but you were unstable. The colonists were not envious of you, they were afraid of you. You were unstable.
SOONG: The last thing you should think of yourself as, Data, is less perfect. The two of you are virtually identical, except for a bit of programming.
DATA: It was a lie. Another lie.
LORE: I would have proven myself worth to you, if you'd just given me a chance. But it was easier just to turn your back and build your precious Data.
SOONG: You were the first. You meant as much to me as Data ever did, but you were unstable. The colonists were not envious of you, they were afraid of you. You were unstable.
If only Dr Soong did spend more time on Lore than to just disassemble him and put him back into his crate with that hideous 1981 JC Penney mannequin wig... then there'd be no Data.
Is there a scene where data is routinely charging himself back up from the ship's power? What if he is somewhere where he can't charge himself? Would he just run down? Or is there a scene where where Data mentions his batteries?
Data should have his own power plant. He cannot be running on batteries.
Things mentioned here made me think of hybrid cars and how they may work. I'm not completely sure how the current hybrid cars operate but one way could be used to charge Data.
Example: Hybrid can be fueled with gas which powers an alternator that charges the batteries, So, if Data "consumes" something, like we eat food, maybe that can power his alternator which gives energy to his batteries. Basically he needs something "to eat" just as humans need food to keep us going.
Example: Hybrid can be fueled with gas which powers an alternator that charges the batteries, So, if Data "consumes" something, like we eat food, maybe that can power his alternator which gives energy to his batteries. Basically he needs something "to eat" just as humans need food to keep us going.
It'd be sweet if that flap-top head of his extended solar panels. Like Inspector Gadget. "Go-go Gadget Enviro-Green Solar Panel Recharging System Of Insufficient Syllables!"
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