Things I Hate About Star Trek
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What I hate most about Star Trek: that it's not on TV right NOW!NOW! NOW! NOW!
...and when it's on TV, sure, I hate the smug superior Feds, the holosuite cliches, the bad/boring/awful romances (weekly or ongoing), the way the hew-mons are all stiff and evolved and the most boring people in the show, the lack of follow-up to interesting ideas that I want more of, bad guest stars, overly cutesy and self-indulgent nonsense involving Las Vegas, obviously re-used scripts, technobabble, no more DS9 stories, shields down to X%, the Borg being turned into pathetic jokes, transporters being blamed for everything, "godlike" aliens, convenient ion storms, pretty much all time travel episodes, no more Trip Tucker stories, overly cutesy and self-indulgent nonsense involving baseball, glaring continuity errors caused by lazy-ass writers, aliens with big heads wearing gowns (okay when Trek did it but Stargate just ran it right the frak into the ground), technobabble!!!, aliens who act all boring and stilted (the Cardies were never boring, so there's no excuse!), those idiotic Moe Howard haircuts they inflict the poor, suffering Vulcans, Melvin Belli in a mu-mu, Starfleet officers who forget they are supposed to be fighting a war, technobabble!!!!, and Barbies of Borg wearing catsuits.
What's really sad, is that pretty much sums up all trek!
Whatever. She was crap and annoying as all hell.
Enterprise- The Temporal Cold War. If this element of the show were just removed, I believe the series would've been superior to what was delivered. Future Guy could've been someone in present time manipulating the Suliban.
The lack of any good reason the Xindi would attack Earth with the prototype weapon. If you are going to obliterate a planet, why forewarn them by attacking with a wimpy version of the weapon??? Makes no sense.
Voyager- Technobabble. The lack of Maquis/Federation storyline. Making the Borg seem weak, having to re-use TNG villains in general. Not making the quandrant they were exploring more unique. Harry Kim. The Voyager getting beat up and RARELY ever showing how it's repaired or re-equiped, in other words no realism in this fantasy world.
Above all else, the finale. Janeway should be imprisoned, not promoted for altering a timeline with unknown consequences. Her reasoning behind it was terrible.
DS9- I ended up liking Ezri, but I'd prefer they have just dropped the Dax storyline. It seemed to, silly, the way they brought her on the show. Any Ferengi episode. Some of the Bajoran religion stuff was boring for me.
TNG- Wesley Crusher in the early years. Some of the outright cheese in the first two seasons.
TOS- I'm going to agree with bringing "american" ideals or "actual dead americans- lincoln", that was extra cheesiness.
Movies- I could do without the Borg Queen concept. B4 was a terrible idea, Nemesis would be superior if Data just sacrificied himself with no fallback B4 option. (Hey, if they make another movie, Lore could make an appearance so Spiner could've been it. Instead we get stupid B4 or stupid reboot of Data... of course they'll never get another movie so it doesn't matter).
There's others, but that's enough for now. And hey, I do "like" star trek, for the most part.
The new movie- I don't like the idea of "time-travel" being used again, and especially to reboot the series this way. If there is any truth that there are multiple timelines going on, I hate that as a concept.
The lack of any good reason the Xindi would attack Earth with the prototype weapon. If you are going to obliterate a planet, why forewarn them by attacking with a wimpy version of the weapon??? Makes no sense.
Voyager- Technobabble. The lack of Maquis/Federation storyline. Making the Borg seem weak, having to re-use TNG villains in general. Not making the quandrant they were exploring more unique. Harry Kim. The Voyager getting beat up and RARELY ever showing how it's repaired or re-equiped, in other words no realism in this fantasy world.
Above all else, the finale. Janeway should be imprisoned, not promoted for altering a timeline with unknown consequences. Her reasoning behind it was terrible.
DS9- I ended up liking Ezri, but I'd prefer they have just dropped the Dax storyline. It seemed to, silly, the way they brought her on the show. Any Ferengi episode. Some of the Bajoran religion stuff was boring for me.
TNG- Wesley Crusher in the early years. Some of the outright cheese in the first two seasons.
TOS- I'm going to agree with bringing "american" ideals or "actual dead americans- lincoln", that was extra cheesiness.
Movies- I could do without the Borg Queen concept. B4 was a terrible idea, Nemesis would be superior if Data just sacrificied himself with no fallback B4 option. (Hey, if they make another movie, Lore could make an appearance so Spiner could've been it. Instead we get stupid B4 or stupid reboot of Data... of course they'll never get another movie so it doesn't matter).
There's others, but that's enough for now. And hey, I do "like" star trek, for the most part.
The new movie- I don't like the idea of "time-travel" being used again, and especially to reboot the series this way. If there is any truth that there are multiple timelines going on, I hate that as a concept.
What I hate most about Star Trek: that it's not on TV right NOW!
...and when it's on TV, sure, I hate the smug superior Feds, the holosuite cliches, the bad/boring/awful romances (weekly or ongoing), the way the hew-mons are all stiff and evolved and the most boring people in the show, the lack of follow-up to interesting ideas that I want more of, bad guest stars, overly cutesy and self-indulgent nonsense involving Las Vegas, obviously re-used scripts, technobabble, no more DS9 stories, shields down to X%, the Borg being turned into pathetic jokes, transporters being blamed for everything, "godlike" aliens, convenient ion storms, pretty much all time travel episodes, no more Trip Tucker stories, overly cutesy and self-indulgent nonsense involving baseball, glaring continuity errors caused by lazy-ass writers, aliens with big heads wearing gowns (okay when Trek did it but Stargate just ran it right the frak into the ground), technobabble!!!, aliens who act all boring and stilted (the Cardies were never boring, so there's no excuse!), those idiotic Moe Howard haircuts they inflict the poor, suffering Vulcans, Melvin Belli in a mu-mu, Starfleet officers who forget they are supposed to be fighting a war, technobabble!!!!, and Barbies of Borg wearing catsuits.
Wow, I think you wrote my post for me.
Allow me to list major bullet-points for me:
1) Wooden/unrealistic characters
2) Technobabble
3) Deus ex machina plot resolutions (often involving technobabble)
4) Wasted story potential
john titor
Captain
yes those ones in particular, while I was typing that post I was thinking specifically of the Ent episode where they discover a human alien colony stuck in the mid west era which would fall into that boring species conflict paradigm.
1. A/B stories that don't mesh at all.
2. Stories resolved with technobabble.
Captain: We are trapped in a subspace anomaly. There is literally no way we could possibly ever escape, ever.
Chief Engineer: Ever? Hmm that gives me an idea. If we used the
warp core evertron with the dilithium isolinear doowickey then the subspace field might collapse.
Conn Officer: But what are the kinetic warp displacement? It could blow!
Chief Engineer: Not if we alternated the phase harmonics to a point four seven range.
Conn Officer: It might just work.
Captain: It's a risk we have to take.
Everyone sweats on the bridge. Music ramps up non-existent tension. A conduit explodes. The ship escapes.
3. Scenes in which a character tells a lengthy personal anecdote which is in someway relevant to the current situation.
4. Nemesis.
5. That beach resort holoprogram on VOY.
2. Stories resolved with technobabble.
Captain: We are trapped in a subspace anomaly. There is literally no way we could possibly ever escape, ever.
Chief Engineer: Ever? Hmm that gives me an idea. If we used the
warp core evertron with the dilithium isolinear doowickey then the subspace field might collapse.
Conn Officer: But what are the kinetic warp displacement? It could blow!
Chief Engineer: Not if we alternated the phase harmonics to a point four seven range.
Conn Officer: It might just work.
Captain: It's a risk we have to take.
Everyone sweats on the bridge. Music ramps up non-existent tension. A conduit explodes. The ship escapes.
3. Scenes in which a character tells a lengthy personal anecdote which is in someway relevant to the current situation.
4. Nemesis.
5. That beach resort holoprogram on VOY.
Gotta give you points for #8 - nothing like keeping it personal.
And dude, seriously...why do you even watch Star Trek?
What I hate most about Star Trek: that it's not on TV right NOW!
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Agreed. They run it only on Saturday Nights at 1:00 am, TOS I'm talking about of course...where are the days that it was on every night???
I know I own the DVD's etc..but there is something about watching it on TV...maybe the randomness of it but does anyone else know what I'm talking about...I'm compelled to watch when it's on the tube...I really don't dislike anything about Star Trek now...but when I was younger I remember questioning the "aliens" on the show and saying they are just dudes in some funky costumes...and yeah the everybody spoke English thing...but I rationalized it away away away...so away in fact that's why I don't dislike anything about it all at this point.
I'm sure I would of abhored the on ship romances that everybodys griping about in the other series...I mean please...a space soap opera is not what people are looking for in this type of series/genre. Ugh!
Yes! I agree with all of the above!
Fantastic turnout for this thread, people. And THANK YOU! for keeping the Hate~With Love!
reasonable, calm, and cathartic.... 
Don't really have anything for this thread. There is nothing that I can think of that I "hate" about Trek. Well other than the fact that there isn't a first run series on TV right now. Sure there are things that could have been done better throughout the years. But all in all, I'll take any of it over most of what is on TV today.
I think we'll need to set up a 'things I like about Star Trek' thread!
Now on with the hate,( warning: the following rant is the personal view of one Thor Damar and should not be considered canon).
1) People who either whinge about Star Trek being either too left wing or not left wing enough!
The amount of times I've seen 'Liberal' or 'Conservative' used as swear words really leaves me surprised and unimpressed. (please note that this includes people from both ends of the political spectrum and those who do not hold to any political beliefs. In short I'm meeting you at both ends you damn hippies
)
ST takes place 400 years after the 20th century so using the same tried cliches of late 20th/early 21st Century American political discourse strikes me as very foolish.
2) The technobabble: this is an obvious one that really doesn't need elaborating upon so I'll only remark upon the fact that this has made trek a laughing stock amongst our fellow nerds.(and ordinary people of course).
Which brings me to...
3) The forced humour: this was evident in the first few seasons of TNG, were one character (often Data) would make a awful joke and the whole bridge crew would titter like a studio audience watching Two and A bloody Half men, forchristssake.
Sometimes they just tried too hard.
4) Broca and the Breen: Just where in Gre'thor did they come from exactly? Introduced in only the last 3-4 episodes of DS9 there was no rhyme or reason for their sudden appearance. The Breen are now a powerful race of warriors who have the almighty Klingons shaking in their boots with an energy damping weapon of doom that no-one has seen before, they then attack earth (which no one has done before, with the exception of the Borg) and seem to be a potent threat to the rest of the Alpha Quadrant!
My question is, where the frak have these guys been hiding for the past hundred years or so?
And then there's Broca. I'm not sure why this guy was produced, perhaps the writers wanted us to still have a Cardassian to hate? I don't know. What I do know is that Broca was an awful character, a cringing , cowardly traitor who was too stupid to realise what was really happening. I really felt for the poor sod who had to play him.
5) The Klingons: Some of you might be familiar with my 'Klingons started the Dominion War' rant so I won't go over it again. What I will state is that I found the Klingon's sense of smug superiority and racism to be disgusting to the extreme.
6) The smug self righteousness of the Feds: Imagine the 'USA first' crowd or the 'great in great Britain' morons but even louder.
7) The Shippers: Why, dear God, Why?
8) The Wounded (as in the TNG episode): I have several problems with this, mostly to do with the fact that the Cardassians are made out to be a pathetic joke. Their Warship is easily disabled by the Enterprise, the Uniforms are to be frank, silly looking and the less said about the stupid ruddy headgear the better.
Also Picard's sanctimonious lecture on loyalty to Gul Macet is a picture perfect example of point six, in my not so humble opinion.
9) The Romulans: Why the Erabus did we not see more of these guys? They had some of the best episodes of TNG, the late and great Andreas Katsulas played one and the Romulan Star Empire is one of the most interesting and compelling civilizations in the Trekverse(after the Cardassian Union of course).
We should have seen a lot more of them if you ask me.
10) Star Trek fans who make a list of their pet peeves and rant on and on about them...erm
.
Now on with the hate,( warning: the following rant is the personal view of one Thor Damar and should not be considered canon).
1) People who either whinge about Star Trek being either too left wing or not left wing enough!
The amount of times I've seen 'Liberal' or 'Conservative' used as swear words really leaves me surprised and unimpressed. (please note that this includes people from both ends of the political spectrum and those who do not hold to any political beliefs. In short I'm meeting you at both ends you damn hippies)ST takes place 400 years after the 20th century so using the same tried cliches of late 20th/early 21st Century American political discourse strikes me as very foolish.
2) The technobabble: this is an obvious one that really doesn't need elaborating upon so I'll only remark upon the fact that this has made trek a laughing stock amongst our fellow nerds.(and ordinary people of course).
Which brings me to...
3) The forced humour: this was evident in the first few seasons of TNG, were one character (often Data) would make a awful joke and the whole bridge crew would titter like a studio audience watching Two and A bloody Half men, forchristssake.
Sometimes they just tried too hard.
4) Broca and the Breen: Just where in Gre'thor did they come from exactly? Introduced in only the last 3-4 episodes of DS9 there was no rhyme or reason for their sudden appearance. The Breen are now a powerful race of warriors who have the almighty Klingons shaking in their boots with an energy damping weapon of doom that no-one has seen before, they then attack earth (which no one has done before, with the exception of the Borg) and seem to be a potent threat to the rest of the Alpha Quadrant!
My question is, where the frak have these guys been hiding for the past hundred years or so?
And then there's Broca. I'm not sure why this guy was produced, perhaps the writers wanted us to still have a Cardassian to hate? I don't know. What I do know is that Broca was an awful character, a cringing , cowardly traitor who was too stupid to realise what was really happening. I really felt for the poor sod who had to play him.
5) The Klingons: Some of you might be familiar with my 'Klingons started the Dominion War' rant so I won't go over it again. What I will state is that I found the Klingon's sense of smug superiority and racism to be disgusting to the extreme.
6) The smug self righteousness of the Feds: Imagine the 'USA first' crowd or the 'great in great Britain' morons but even louder.
7) The Shippers: Why, dear God, Why?
8) The Wounded (as in the TNG episode): I have several problems with this, mostly to do with the fact that the Cardassians are made out to be a pathetic joke. Their Warship is easily disabled by the Enterprise, the Uniforms are to be frank, silly looking and the less said about the stupid ruddy headgear the better.
Also Picard's sanctimonious lecture on loyalty to Gul Macet is a picture perfect example of point six, in my not so humble opinion.
9) The Romulans: Why the Erabus did we not see more of these guys? They had some of the best episodes of TNG, the late and great Andreas Katsulas played one and the Romulan Star Empire is one of the most interesting and compelling civilizations in the Trekverse(after the Cardassian Union of course
). We should have seen a lot more of them if you ask me.
10) Star Trek fans who make a list of their pet peeves and rant on and on about them...erm
.
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RobertScorpio
Pariah
Here is my list:
TNG's attempt to squash "Alpha-male" men and make all men look like women in pants...
Modern Trek's fascination with gutting good background music
Bumpy headed Klingons and those weird looking Romulan forheads..WTF was that all about?
Hiring looks over acting ability. (then again...I do like big boobs)
Retelling the same story over and over and over and over....uggh
Making silly ass stories like the one with warp speed limit...huh??? Give me a break
bad 'second parts' of two-part episodes.
Rob
TNG's attempt to squash "Alpha-male" men and make all men look like women in pants...
Modern Trek's fascination with gutting good background music
Bumpy headed Klingons and those weird looking Romulan forheads..WTF was that all about?
Hiring looks over acting ability. (then again...I do like big boobs)
Retelling the same story over and over and over and over....uggh
Making silly ass stories like the one with warp speed limit...huh??? Give me a break
bad 'second parts' of two-part episodes.
Rob
Thor Damar--Yeah, the Cardassian ship wasn't very powerful and the costuming department screwed up royally on "The Wounded"...and yet I think there was a lot there. The Cardassians came across extremely well and varied in personality, and I liked the development of O'Brien, as well. I don't think I've ever seen so much future storywriting potential appear in one episode as happened with "The Wounded."
And I agree about the sermonizing--AND the fact that for the most part, anybody who disagreed was portrayed in a pretty flagrantly straw-man fashion. ("Let He Who Is Without Sin...", I'm looking at you!)
But the thing that made me actually stop watching Trek for the longest time--the obvious, pathetic T & A grab that was Seven of Nine, and the repeat of that mistake on Enterprise.
And I agree about the sermonizing--AND the fact that for the most part, anybody who disagreed was portrayed in a pretty flagrantly straw-man fashion. ("Let He Who Is Without Sin...", I'm looking at you!)
But the thing that made me actually stop watching Trek for the longest time--the obvious, pathetic T & A grab that was Seven of Nine, and the repeat of that mistake on Enterprise.
^ Don't worry, 'The wounded' will also make my list for things that I like about Star Trek and not just because of Marc Alaimo's brilliant acting in this episode.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Captain Maxwell has been a recurring character on 24 this year..good to see him because I think he is a great character actor...
Rob
I love Broca because he gave the Female Founder a chance to break lose and just be angry. That's all he was good for.
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