Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by hxclespaulplayer, Apr 18, 2013.
Well it's both, isn't it? Clever title that way. I always got it.
Nobody in the 2250s would be equipping an outpost with technology that was already out of date by the 2030s.
Data is left handed.
When the borg speek, it's all the drones talking at once.
I'm sure it'll be a distillery by the the time Scotty's finished with it.
Maybe the outpost was deactivated over a century before and was hardly up to date even then, but when Starfleet Admiralty was looking for a nice little shit assignment for Scotty, someone had the bright idea to send him to delta vega as a "caretaker" for the facility.
That why (among other things) there was no heat and no food. Scotty had to make do with what was left behind when the facility was originally closed.
I just recently found out that Tuvok was once a desert-combing Spaceball.
That until "Honest Trailers" pointed it out...only Chekov and Spock are where they're supposed to be.
Sulu: Senior helmsman has lungworms
McCoy: Chief Medical Officer dies.
Kirk: So convulated, and you all know it anyway
Uhura: Relieves Comm Officer cause he can't tell the difference between Romulan and Vulcan.
Scotty: "Wuh! Nice ship!"
But not a very good one. He ain't found shit!
Yeah, that's bugged me a little since day one. Scotty was the one that broke the camel's back. A disgraced officer sent to a distant outpost as punishment, he just shows up with a cadet who was kicked off the ship, ignores a direct order from a superior officer, then dries off and puts on a uniform to become chief engineer. Whaaaaat? It makes Kirk becoming captain so quickly look almost like a sane decision by comparison.
You save Earth and help defeat a madman, you get a few perks. It was the cadet/acting Captain that placed him in charge of engineering. As the CO he can do that.
"Disgraced" is a bit of an overstatement. He mad a mistake and got punished.
"The state of being out of favor" isn't really an overstatement of where he was at that point, in my opinion.
Disgraced is a pretty load term. It implies more than a punishment assignment for using an Admiral's dog in an experiment gone awry.
Everything about Star Trek Into Darkness
Scotty's integration would have been so incredibly easy. Also Old Spock's passiveness, and a lot of contrivances from the middle part of the film...
Everything in the film until the destruction of Vulcan plays out as it did. But when Young Spock makes the log entry, there's where the differences begin:
While he delivers his log entry about only 10,000 Vulcans being left, we also see the Enterprise searching for survivors in the debris of the fleet, picking up escape pods, etc...
One of those survivors is Scotty. Spock visits sickbay, where McCoy informs him that the chief engineer is dead. Scotty, who's injured and also in sickbay, overhears this and applies for the post, because he's been engineer aboard the Farragut and he he studied the plans of the Constitution class as a hobby. Spock agrees, makes him Chief Engineer.
Now Kirk and Old Spock. Instead of exiling Kirk on an ice planet so that he finds Old Spock in an absolutely contrived way in a cave, he puts Kirk in the brig. Uhura then receives a transmission from a nearby planet, a remote Starfleet outpost. She is puzzled as she reports that someone wants to talk to "Captain James T. Kirk of the USS Enterprise about the Romulan Nero". He wants Kirk to beam down.
Time for Spock and McCoy to exchange an intrigued look.
Spock ponders the odds and lets Kirk beam down to the outpost. Kirk is beamed into a dark hallway. A dark figure approaches him and steps into the light: It's Old Spock. Spock recognizes Kirk is nowhere near the Captain he is supposed to be. He gives the mind meld exposition from the film. He then tells Kirk that when he returns to the Enterprise, he must not talk about Old Spock, and he must take command of the ship because Young Spock isn't up to the task. So he gives him the hint about making Young Spock angry.
Kirk returns, forces Young Spock into the nervous breakdown, and the rest of the film is again like the rest.
We get: a realistic scenario for Scotty to become Chief Engineer, an ACTIVE Spock Prime, no silly transwarp beaming, and no stupid exile and double monster and extreme coincidence, also no silly Scotty in the drain pipe scene. Without the ice planet scenes there'd also be no time difference.
All fine except Kirk would have been an instructor at the Academy around that time...unless you're taking Old Spock being rattled, or just not knowing the stardate into account.
For old Spock to be confused about the Kirk standing in front of him not being in command of the Enterprise, Spock would by necessity have to be ignorant of the year, or if he did know it, then generally confused.
Nothing says that Vulcans have perfect memories, Spock might have honestly remembered Kirk in his late twenties being in command of the ship.
But it is quite possible that Spock simply didn't know what year it was.
^ I always was amused that Spock seemed indifferent about the fact that Kirk attempted mutiny and more surprised that he wasn't already captain.
I think after all the insubordinate acts that his Kirk's pulled over the years, a mutiny wouldn't phase Spock
Spock's hijacked the ship himself (the Menagerie) and mutinied at least one (This Side of Paradise).
1). The Romulan Senator Pardek from Unification is played by a guy who appeared in the Oriignal Series a few times, including as the Starfleet Admiral/Commodore in The Menagerie.
2). The Original Script for Star Trek III (in which the Romulans were the villain) would have featured a way more political plot, with Vulcan threatening to secede from the Federation over the development of project Genesis.
That genes real name is Eugene (all other trekkies )*face palm*
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