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Thin Ice (Grade & Discussion Thread)
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I'm kind of surprised he didn't either, but at the same time, it's refreshing to have a dark, reflective moment with The Doctor without falling back on the Time War. Sometimes it's hard to remember these days, but the Time War wasn't the only instance of The Doctor doing terrible things.
How many billion Silurians did he kill in Earth Shock?
Yeah, I thought the same after making that post. Considering the mindset she was in at that particular moment, I think she would have rightfully freaked out and said she didn't want anything more to do with him.
It cracks me up that some viewers are going "FFS, there being a captive monster makes this so similar to an episode from five seasons and seven years ago" when us old gits remember Silly Nemesis having the exact same plot as a story from only three fucking weeks earlier than it....
I also really liked the Doctor's nuggets of wisdom in this episode, like when he says to Bill, "passion fights but reason wins". That one really could be the Doctor's motto. And these proverbs also showed the wisdom of the Doctor that he has accumulated over his 2000 year lifespan.
After which he put their lives in danger with a passionate punch, oops.
(I suspect that wasn't unintentional.)In all seriousness, I liked the Doctor's dialog quite a bit in this one where he was given a lot of "Doctor moments" to be witty, clever, charming, knowing and so on. As well as some moments where he could be a bit cold and some where he was a bit of a rascal, I thought it did a good job with the different sides of the character. The bit about Pete, the pumping for information at the harvesting, the thieving, and so on all worked well to me.
I like this season that he isn't this tortured soul and seems OK with who he is. Nardole works very nicely here to free the Doctor to run off and be naughty but keep the side story grounded. It doesn't hurt that it doesn't come across that Bill feels entitled to the Doctor's attention nor that she's needy and dependent on it. We'll see how the rest of the season plays out but I like the framework they've established so far.
He was indifferent to "Smile." I have the impression that even Sandifer is over Moffat.
My dread related to the social commentary in the episode rather than its televisual quality, the former tending to be the emphasis in Sandifer's writing.
Best episode of the season thus far. I feel like the writing, storyline, production, etc. all stepped it up a notch.
So so episode for me. Didn't keep my attention. Nice moments between Bill and the Doctor but I actually found it a bit difficult to understand what they were saying at times like after saying "Laters"to the Kids i couldn't catch what they were saying even when I replayed it.
The interaction between the Doctor and Bill was fantastic, as was the scene when the kid gets pulled under and the Doctor only goes for the sonic. I though that the bad guy was pretty weak. He was beaten in just a couple minutes, really. Didn't feel like there was any peril.
It was more of PETA situation... The conditions of those Elephants was probably worse (relatively) than the beast below's living conditions... However, consider the missingness of the this energy source that was probably contingent on, up till then, the rapid expansion of the British Empire.
Did Bill end the Empire, creating the alt timeline she calls home where Britain whithers into nearly nothing by the early 21st century, instead of colonizing the moon in the 1920s?
Did Bill end the Empire, creating the alt timeline she calls home where Britain whithers into nearly nothing by the early 21st century, instead of colonizing the moon in the 1920s?
The pacing is so much better in this series and it's refreshing to have an assistant who fulfills her role of asking questions on behalf of the audience to take us on her journey. I felt that Clara became too smug and unrelateable and the pacing a bit too wild.
Bill is a delight.
Bill is a delight.
Somehow I doubt it, seeing as the Ice Warrior episode has Victorians on Mars, according to the Radio Times season preview. I'm wondering if she's changed things so stuff is advanced for that Space 1889 kind of thing. Which would then have to be sorted out.
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